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Old Dec 29, 2018 | 12:11 AM
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i just get a mount from a halfcut shop and installed today...
Left side engine mount

but i found that i need to twisted abit in order to fit ( i
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and the pervious mount i found that the owner cut off the notch..



did i miss something ? but i found that my mount from engine look abit differences..







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Old Dec 29, 2018 | 06:26 AM
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Get the correct mount. Looks like you're trying to use the Civic mounts on a B series motor.
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Old Dec 29, 2018 | 07:43 PM
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Actually, it appears that you have a DA engine bracket on the side of the engine... you need a '99-00 Civic Si (EM1) bracket to properly align with the stock style drivers side engine mount and upper "S" bracket.
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Don't quote me on this, but I know I have read that the 1g crv post mount also works.
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i think thats what we did for my cousins type r swap, use the 1st gen crv post mount
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Don't quote me on this, but I know I have read that the 1g crv post mount also works.
yeap.. i just flatted the notch today.. and reinstall the bracket... it work like a champ... no more vibration inside cabin
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Don't quote me on this, but I know I have read that the 1g crv post mount also works.
THE USDM post mount works. The JDM '97-01 CRV post mount is too tall... if you use it, the engine will not sit parallel to the ground. The driver's side will be very low in the bay and oil pan ground clearance will be minimal.

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yeap.. i just flatted the notch today.. and reinstall the bracket... it work like a champ... no more vibration inside cabin
This is not the correct answer either... the engine will be sitting crooked in the engine bay. The driver's side will be sitting closer to the front of the car than it should be.

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The '97-01 CRV post mount is too tall... if you use it, the engine will not sit parallel to the ground. The driver's side will be very low in the bay and oil pan ground clearance will be minimal.

This is not the correct answer either... the engine will be sitting crooked in the engine bay. The driver's side will be sitting closer to the front of the car than it should be.
I think is going to be a temporary fix.. untill i get the correct mount.. this is the best i and align with the stock mount..

here some picture ~~ Stock B20B Mount On EJ6 (So4) Ek3

Stock mount


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EJ6, So4 with B20B Stock Mounting.
stock B20B with B16head.. (Look fulgy for now, untill everything settle will drop in new exhaust/intake mainfold, and some paint job and detailing.. )

can't say is align perfectly. but it works at least it get rid of the vibrations into the cabin.. now feel smoother.
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Originally Posted by JRCivic1
The '97-01 CRV post mount is too tall... if you use it, the engine will not sit parallel to the ground. The driver's side will be very low in the bay and oil pan ground clearance will be minimal.

This is not the correct answer either... the engine will be sitting crooked in the engine bay. The driver's side will be sitting closer to the front of the car than it should be.
either i got lucky and found an em1 post sitting next to an rd1 ...
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Originally Posted by tony_2018
i think thats what we did for my cousins type r swap, use the 1st gen crv post mount
that is good to know... at least i know it works for a while
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Dude what ecu you running with this automatic setup?
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Old Dec 31, 2018 | 05:16 AM
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Dude what ecu you running with this automatic setup?
Running with p28 with base tune..
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Vtec on 5500rpm
Rpm cut at 8500

Sonner or later it going to be manual swap. It will be alot more fun and powerfull to drive.
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Originally Posted by JRCivic1
The '97-01 CRV post mount is too tall... if you use it, the engine will not sit parallel to the ground. The driver's side will be very low in the bay and oil pan ground clearance will be minimal.
Are you sure about that? I retained the CR-V post bracket on my B20, used stock Civic everything else, and had zero issues on mine. Engine has been in the car since 2012 (has since been changed to Innovative mounts with the same post mount) and definitely does not have any incorrect angles. All five mounts are in place and in excellent condition.

Here it is as received (after being recovered from the previous owners backyard lol)



And later as the shortblock was going together. Same mount.



No such lean, all mounts line up:

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^^^ that's a clean, simple swap. Almost looks factory, except for the NAPA battery. LOL
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Are you sure about that? I retained the CR-V post bracket on my B20, used stock Civic everything else, and had zero issues on mine. Engine has been in the car since 2012 (has since been changed to Innovative mounts with the same post mount) and definitely does not have any incorrect angles. All five mounts are in place and in excellent condition.

Here it is as received (after being recovered from the previous owners backyard lol)



And later as the shortblock was going together. Same mount.



No such lean, all mounts line up:


Thanks for carifly b20 post brackets can fit.. Now i have 0 worry. Haha

Love ur swap. Look alot better than mine. I have few questions..

* whats manaul gearbox you are using ?
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What is this??

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Old Dec 31, 2018 | 01:28 PM
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^^^

THAT IS CRUISE CONTROL. From the pics, looks like his car is a LX/EX 4 door sedan.
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Are you sure about that? I retained the CR-V post bracket on my B20, used stock Civic everything else, and had zero issues on mine. Engine has been in the car since 2012 (has since been changed to Innovative mounts with the same post mount) and definitely does not have any incorrect angles. All five mounts are in place and in excellent condition.

Here it is as received (after being recovered from the previous owners backyard lol)

No such lean, all mounts line up:
I am absolutely sure. What you have pictured IS the EM1 bracket/post mount and NOT the CRV post mount. You have unfortunately assumed that because YOU received it that way, it MUST be stock. NOT in this case. Remember, we in the US are not the only people around the world who mod engines... and it is obvious the previous owner (or someone before him) used the engine in a swap application. If I had a CRV post mount handy, I would photograph it side by side so that you could see the difference. The step up from the top edge of the bracket sticking out from the upper timing cover to the flat machined surface where the studs are located is about 1 1/4" (32)mm TALLER than the EM1 bracket/post mount. Unfortunately, I do not keep them around because they aren't good for anything except for use in the CRV. No swap application utilizes this bracket/post mount. My previous text is incorrect: The USDM CRV post mount fits very similar to that found in the EM1.

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Thanks for carifly b20 post brackets can fit.. Now i have 0 worry. Haha
OP, you still have to worry... YOU do NOT have a B20 bracket (post mount on your engine)... you have a '90-93 DA Integra bracket as I stated to you previously. If you simply compare the two stud/hole positions (another dead give-away on a DA bracket is the front hole is larger and not threaded because the bolt passes through to a nut), you will notice that yours are moved forward of the triangle shape of the post mount, whereas, the CRV and B16A (EM1) post mount mounting surface is moved rearward.


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I do happen to have both, a DA ('90-93 Integra) and the needed EM1 ('99-00 Civic Si) brackets/post mounts in my possession, and here is a picture of them side by side.

OP, the post mount that YOU have is the one on the right. Notice the higher angle between the centerlines of the two post holes and the orientation of the mounting surface compared to the base (touching the 2x4 in this picture). Your bracket's front hole is forward of the base and the rear hole is just behind the base of the "T" cast into the bracket. The PROPER bracket has a front hole that is within the width of the base and just to the right of the base of the "T" cast into the bracket. The rear hole is dramatically rearward and outside the width of the base.

Since your engine is pushed well forward using the bracket/post mount that you have, how did you get the rear "T" bracket to fit ??? Which one (from what application) did you use ???


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I am absolutely sure. What you have pictured IS the EM1 bracket/post mount and NOT the CRV post mount. You have unfortunately assumed that because YOU received it that way, it MUST be stock. NOT in this case. Remember, we in the US are not the only people around the world who mod engines... and it is obvious the previous owner (or someone before him) used the engine in a swap application. If I had a CRV post mount handy, I would photograph it side by side so that you could see the difference. The step up from the top edge of the bracket sticking out from the upper timing cover to the flat machined surface where the studs are located is about 1 1/4" (32)mm TALLER than the EM1 bracket/post mount. Unfortunately, I do not keep them around because they aren't good for anything except for use in the CRV. No swap application utilizes this bracket/post mount.



OP, you still have to worry... YOU do NOT have a B20 bracket (post mount on your engine)... you have a '90-93 DA Integra bracket as I stated to you previously. If you simply compare the two stud/hole positions (another dead give-away on a DA bracket is the front hole is larger and not threaded because the bolt passes through to a nut), you will notice that yours are moved forward of the triangle shape of the post mount, whereas, the CRV and B16A (EM1) post mount mounting surface is moved rearward.


Noted n thanks..another quick question . Do u think is possible replace the brackets on the motor side . Without jackout the engine or goes under the car?
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Yes, it is possible to swap out the post mount in the car. All you have to do is remove the crank pulley and lower/upper timing covers to expose all three 14mm bolts holding the bracket/post mount on.
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Originally Posted by JRCivic1
I am absolutely sure. What you have pictured IS the EM1 bracket/post mount and NOT the CRV post mount. You have unfortunately assumed that because YOU received it that way, it MUST be stock. NOT in this case. Remember, we in the US are not the only people around the world who mod engines... and it is obvious the previous owner (or someone before him) used the engine in a swap application. If I had a CRV post mount handy, I would photograph it side by side so that you could see the difference. The step up from the top edge of the bracket sticking out from the upper timing cover to the flat machined surface where the studs are located is about 1 1/4" (32)mm TALLER than the EM1 bracket/post mount. Unfortunately, I do not keep them around because they aren't good for anything except for use in the CRV. No swap application utilizes this bracket/post mount.



OP, you still have to worry... YOU do NOT have a B20 bracket (post mount on your engine)... you have a '90-93 DA Integra bracket as I stated to you previously. If you simply compare the two stud/hole positions (another dead give-away on a DA bracket is the front hole is larger and not threaded because the bolt passes through to a nut), you will notice that yours are moved forward of the triangle shape of the post mount, whereas, the CRV and B16A (EM1) post mount mounting surface is moved rearward.

actually that’s why I was so curious. My engine came out of a stock CR-V, due to an exhaust valve failure, and sat in a friend’s backyard until I acquired it. It was never used as a swap and was never even owned by someone with that intention until I got a hold of it. I actually KNOW the entire history of it, which makes it all the more interesting that it has a different mount on it than expected.
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^^^ that's a clean, simple swap. Almost looks factory, except for the NAPA battery. LOL
Thanks. That was exactly the goal. Looks a little less clean and a little less stock 7 years later but it's still going and it's even more fun now in its current form.

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Thanks for carifly b20 post brackets can fit.. Now i have 0 worry. Haha

Love ur swap. Look alot better than mine. I have few questions..

* whats manaul gearbox you are using ?
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What is this??

Thanks again. Late model GS-R. Swapped in an LS 5th when I was still in Florida, I can't wait for a good excuse to get back in there and put the stock 5th back in.

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^^^

THAT IS CRUISE CONTROL. From the pics, looks like his car is a LX/EX 4 door sedan.
Correct. '00 LX
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actually that’s why I was so curious. My engine came out of a stock CR-V, due to an exhaust valve failure, and sat in a friend’s backyard until I acquired it. It was never used as a swap and was never even owned by someone with that intention until I got a hold of it. I actually KNOW the entire history of it, which makes it all the more interesting that it has a different mount on it than expected.
So, you actually removed it from a CRV in your friend's back yard ??? Was your friend going to use it in a swap chassis ??? I will see if I can find a CRV bracket and take a pic... it is painfully obvious how different they are.
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i'm planning a thursday junkyard run. i'll grab a crv post mount while i'm there.
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oh, right you do need that. Don't forget the tranny mount, you'll still need to source the tranny torque mount, si rear bracket and crv ac bracket.
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