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Old Dec 22, 2018 | 10:30 AM
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I have a 1997 Honda Accord 2.2L non v-Tec, that is running rich and has a slight hesitation/stumble under more light throttle. When you put the throttle to the the floor the fuel trim seems to 0 out like it should and there is no hesitation. The engine has very high miles 340,000. I put a new head, head gasket, water pump, timing belt, balancer shaft belt and more, did a full tune up on it as well. The STFT seems to be around -14 to -27, the 02 sensors might be having issues cause they seem a little goofy watching the voltage swing specially the down stream sensor, but I just want to make sure something else isn’t making them act up. Any ideas on things to check would be great i can also post more test results from the scanner.
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Old Dec 22, 2018 | 11:27 AM
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the trim running way lean seems to indicate a possible leaky injector problem also check all the connectors. whats the LTFT cruising on the highway?
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Old Dec 22, 2018 | 12:18 PM
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Ok so those numbers are showing a lean trim then, I was backwards. the injectors could be a possible issue I have changed the fuel filter and did a fuel pressure test (with the old filter on) and it was around 35psi. The long term fuel trim was around -11.7, I pulled and cleaned the iacv last night and drove it on the freeway a little today and it went to -14.8. (I’ll also add in I have had no check engine light for about 600 miles and I’m still waiting for the catalyst monitor to reset, I’ve just never had to drive a car this long to reset monitors so it’s kinda a head scratcher as well.
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Old Dec 22, 2018 | 03:39 PM
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one thing you could try is a couple of bottles of techron fuel system cleaner. if LTFT improves injectors are probably leaking
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Old Dec 22, 2018 | 04:52 PM
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I have run one bottle of Lucas fuel system cleaner through, wasn’t really monitoring the fuel trim though when I did it but I can run another bottle through it and see if anything changes. Could this be a possible 02 sensor, map sensor or tps issue. I have a rough idea of the voltage swings it has going on. Or a distributor issue I know my ignition coil checks out fine.
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Old Dec 22, 2018 | 09:10 PM
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O2 sensor can cause that, and so can the EGR valve not working right due to being bad, or from soot clogging it or the EGR rail on the intake. Both of those should place a code in the computer, but sometimes they don't.

The rich mixture would probably point more to the O2 sensor, and the hesitation/stumble would be much more pronounced than the EGR system causes, eventually becoming a drivability issue.


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Old Dec 23, 2018 | 07:45 AM
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Ok ya the back o2 sensor seems to act goofy at times when I’m watching the voltage. When I pulled the downstream 02 the tip was pure white, did a bench test on both and they seemed to check out but can’t be 100% for sure on that. Another guy has told me that my negative fuel trim was actually showing a lean mix told me possible injector issue. When I was sitting in my drive way holding the rpm at 2500 the back 02 sensor would drop down to .055 to .075 and hold that. And the fuel trim would go from -14.0 at idol to -27 at 2500rpm. I cleaned the iacv a couple days ago and it seemed to help that back 02 Out but still having the same issue.
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Old Dec 23, 2018 | 07:19 PM
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In my 93 Accord, the bad O2 sensor caused rich, lean, and everything in between. The computer had the IACV going crazy. Under load, I was bucking and lurching, barely getting it down the road. I think that was the lean mix. It also happened at 70mph, manifesting as a what felt like a repeated engine knock and gradual loss of power that required putting the car on the shoulder of the road to work the issue out. I think that was a backfire from the bad mix. I chased what I though was an ignition miss for 2 or more weeks until realizing it was a fuel system problem. My O2 sensor deteriorated so slowly over such a long time that the OBD1 system never showed it as bad. It would only show a code if the sensor was unplugged.

Yours could indeed be some other issue. If you haven't done it on that car, clean the EGR system. It's time consuming, but not a bad job on your year because I think you can take off the manifold where the soot builds up and clean it in your shop or on your bench. It was much harder on mine because of having to mess with the plugs in the manifold and take so much stuff off to get to them, then work hunched under the hood. I could also have taken off the manifold to clean it, but it's still not as easy as your, so I left it on and worked with the chicken wire and intake cleaner spray to loosen the crud and get it out of there, cleaning the EGR valve, and every passage in that whole system. The reason I talked so much about EGR is seeing the words "slight hesitation/stumble" in your first post. The EGR issue is more like that.
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Old Dec 24, 2018 | 06:07 AM
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run a compression test, did you adjust the valves?
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Old Dec 24, 2018 | 07:38 AM
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Yes I adjusted the valves after putting the new head on, I haven’t done a compression test yet since I’ve gotten the car running. I’m wanting to see if it’s something todo with the injectors so I can rule that out if not and pretty much cover the fuel system. What about a fuel pressure regulator issue?
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Old Dec 24, 2018 | 07:05 PM
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sure if you have a gauge check the rail pressure, but running rich its probably an injector leaking, however if the exhaust valve is too tight and therefore leaking it could cause the o2 sensor to also see a rich exhaust. the ecu would then trim lean.
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