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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 08:44 PM
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Hey guys, I'm hoping someone can please help me out here. I've done some research but have found many different solutions from others that didn't work for me.

So I have a 92 civic dx ODB1 chipped P28 with an LSV swap and the motor cranks but does not start. The fuel pump doesn't prime and I have a solid CEL for Code 0 which is for the ECU.

First I started off by getting another main relay but still no start. After that I was able to borrow a friend's known good ECU but still no start. I jumped the fuel pump wires from the main relay and it turns just fine so it is not the fuel pump. I've checked my grounds, especially on the thermostat housing, cleaned them make sure they're tight but still no start. I also checked the fuses under the dash which are (correct me if I am wrong) 18 & 24 and 38 in the engine bay and they're fine. Even tried replacing them each with another fuse just in case but no luck.

I believe my issue is the ECU is not getting the power it needs and by doing some research I think my problem might reside in the ignition switch. However, I couldn't find much online from others. If someone could please point in my in the right direction on how to troubleshoot it or by-pass the ignition switch to see if that is my problem or tell me what else it could be.

Please and thank you in advance!
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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 08:48 PM
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Check fuses 24 (dash) and 31 (hood). Do you know where they are located?

I jumped the fuel pump wires from the main relay and it turns just fine so it is not the fuel pump.
Provide additional details about this^ test. What exact pins/wires in the main relay connector did you jump?
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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 08:58 PM
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Thanks for the reply, I didn't know someone was going to reply to fast! lol

My plans tomorrow after 1:00PM EST was to hopefully tackle this problem so I will check those two fuses tomorrow and I don't remember which wires exactly of the top of my head but I will let you know tomorrow as well.

Thanks for the help!
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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 09:05 PM
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I don't remember which wires exactly of the top of my head but I will let you know tomorrow as well.
You need to do two separate jump tests on the disconnected main relay connector:

Jump pin 1 to pin 7 (key off)

Jump pin 5 to pin 7 (key in ON-II)

The fuel pump should run for both tests.

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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 09:12 PM
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Okay will do. Do you have a diagram of the main relay connector that are numbered?
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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 09:15 PM
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Disregar, I’m on my phone & the picture loaded late. Thank you. I will let you know tomorrow.
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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 09:16 PM
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Okay will do. Do you have a diagram of the main relay connector that are numbered?
See diagram in my previous post.
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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 09:16 PM
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Yeah sorry about that lol. Thanks again!
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 07:54 AM
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Okay so here’s the outcome to what you had me check.

Dash fuse 24 which I believe is on the top row right under the igition switch plug, second from the right is good. Even changed it out for another 15, still no luck.

Hood fuse 31 which I believe is when standing in front of the car is the one first one on the back left hand side is good. Even changed it out for another 15, still no luck.

(correct me if I am wrong with the fuse location)

i jumped pin 1 & 7 key off, FP turns on.

jumped pin 7 & 5 key in position II FP turns on.

Again thanks for the help!
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 07:55 AM
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Okay so here’s the outcome to what you had me check.

Dash fuse 24 which I believe is on the top row right under the igition switch plug, second from the right is good. Even changed it out for another 15, still no luck.

Hood fuse 31 which I believe is when standing in front of the car is the one first one on the back left hand side is good. Even changed it out for another 15, still no luck.

(correct me if I am wrong with the fuse location)

i jumped pin 1 & 7 key off, FP turns on.

jumped pin 7 & 5 key in position II FP turns on.

Again thanks for the help!
Nice work. Are you up for few more electrical jump tests on some ECU connectors?
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 07:57 AM
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If you don’t mind, yes! I’m dying to get the car running again.
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If you don’t mind, yes! I’m dying to get the car running again.
Reconnect the main relay.

Disconnect ECU connector A.

For ECU connector A, use a wire to ground pin A7 or A8 (whichever is attached to a Grn/Yel wire) to the metal frame under the dash.

Turn key to ON(II).

Does fuel pump run?
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 08:19 AM
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Main relay reconnected.

disconnected ECU connector A & grounded A7 (green/yellow wire) FP runs.
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 08:25 AM
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Main relay reconnected.

disconnected ECU connector A & grounded A7 (green/yellow wire) FP runs.
forgot to add when key turned to position (II)
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 08:29 AM
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Main relay reconnected.

disconnected ECU connector A & grounded A7 (green/yellow wire) FP runs.
Great. This^ tells you that the main relay circuit is operating as intended by Honda, and points to a problem with the ECU or ECU circuit.

Next tests:

Disconnect ECU connectors A and B.

Turn key to ON(II).

Measure voltage to body ground at pins A25 and B1 (Yel/Blk wires).

Turn key OFF.

Measure continuity to body ground at pins A26 (Blk/Red wire) and B2 (Brn/Blk wire).

Post the multimeter readings.
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by antsoslow


forgot to add when key turned to position (II)
Perfect
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 08:48 AM
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Okay disconnected ECU connectors A & B.

While key turned to position II, Pin A25 reach 11.49v, Pin B1 reads 11.49v.

I hope I did this second part right. Turned the key off, Set the mutlimeter to the shoe horse logo & A26 to ground reads 00.5 & B2 to ground reads 00.5.

Correct me if I did anything wrong.
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 08:50 AM
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Okay disconnected ECU connectors A & B.

While key turned to position II, Pin A25 reach 11.49v, Pin B1 reads 11.49v.

I hope I did this second part right. Turned the key off, Set the mutlimeter to the shoe horse logo & A26 to ground reads 00.5 & B2 to ground reads 00.5.

Correct me if I did anything wrong.
Looks fine. Just curious what you used as the ground source for A26 and B2.
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 08:56 AM
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For the ground source I’m using one of the threads that would hold the ECU. Should I use a different location?
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For the ground source I’m using one of the threads that would hold the ECU. Should I use a different location?
That's fine.

Tightly reconnect all connectors.

Crank engine.

Does it start? If not, do you still get code 0?
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 09:01 AM
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Yeah so reconnected everything, cranks but no start & still CEL 0
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by antsoslow
I was able to borrow a friend's known good ECU but still no start.
Details?

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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by antsoslow
Yeah so reconnected everything, cranks but no start & still CEL 0
Turn key OFF.

Turn key to ON(II) [don't crank]

Does pump still fail to prime? Does CEL remain on steady? If so, does CEL also remain on steady when you jump the service connector?
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 09:06 AM
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The ecu was another p28 not chipped & the car should of still started but when I connected it I had the same results. CEL 0 no FP prime or start.
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 09:14 AM
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Turned key to position ON (II) without cranking, waiting about 10 seconds CEL stays on solid, jumped service connector & it still stays on.

However I did notice if I moved the ecu around the CEL will go off/on. Like if a cable is loose somewhere but on the ecu connectors everything is plugged in properly.
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