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Old Oct 23, 2018 | 06:24 AM
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so my 95 civic lx has a small leak at the power rack and pinion. I have a brand new manual rack I bought for one of my old civics. I know people do the power steering delete, but can I simply drop the power rack and bolt up the manual rack to my current subframe and use the power rack bolts on the manual rack that holds it to the subframe and the same bushings? its a 95 civic lx
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Old Oct 23, 2018 | 09:45 AM
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The clamps and bushings are different size on the manual and power from my understanding. The manual is smaller. The bolts themselves should be fine, it is the bushings and the clamps that are different.

Don't forget an alignment should be done if you swap your racks or mess with tie rod ends etc.
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Old Oct 23, 2018 | 09:11 PM
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Just double up the bushing on the passenger side of the rack to compensate for the extra space. I don’t have problems with mine, and it’s done that way.
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Old Oct 24, 2018 | 04:59 AM
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Sounds good but I'll probably just get the clamps and bushings from one that's already manual
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Old Oct 24, 2018 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 98civlx
Sounds good but I'll probably just get the clamps and bushings from one that's already manual
Won’t work: civics with manual steering have a difference in that area of their subframes from power steering equipped models.
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Old Oct 26, 2018 | 07:42 PM
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Just install a replacement power steering rack and do it right.

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Old Oct 26, 2018 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by muellersfan
Just install a replacement steering rack and do it right.
Yep, and then if you want to convert to manual steering, just loop the lines.
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Old Oct 26, 2018 | 11:48 PM
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Won’t work: civics with manual steering have a difference in that area of their subframes from power steering equipped models.
So you need the manual rack subframe to do the full swap instead of just looping the lines?

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Old Oct 27, 2018 | 02:34 AM
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Yep, and then if you want to convert to manual steering, just loop the lines.
Avoid the line looping. You won't be happy with the outcome.
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Old Oct 27, 2018 | 09:44 AM
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So you need the manual rack subframe to do the full swap instead of just looping the lines?
Yes, if you want to avoid the double bushing.

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Avoid the line looping. You won't be happy with the outcome.
I’ve read mixed accounts of that. If you disconnect the lines from the pump, put them into a drain pan, and turn the wheel lock to lock a few times to bleed the lines it makes it better.
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Old Oct 27, 2018 | 12:30 PM
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I've also read where they've pulled the internals out and drilled a couple of holes through the partition piece so fluid can transfer sides easier. That seemed to work well. Fluid then stays to lubricate.
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Old Oct 27, 2018 | 05:39 PM
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I've also read where they've pulled the internals out and drilled a couple of holes through the partition piece so fluid can transfer sides easier. That seemed to work well. Fluid then stays to lubricate.
The method I suggested doesn’t get 100% of the fluid out and is a bit easier than gutting and drilling; but it’s 6 of one, half-a-gallon of the other.
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Old Oct 27, 2018 | 05:53 PM
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the d-sr has had its lines looped for 2 years. its lowered 2.5" and steers the same as a manual civic dx i used to have. key is to make sure the rack has fluid in it before looping, otherwise you'll fry it.
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Old Oct 27, 2018 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Freedo_Civegra
I’ve read mixed accounts of that. If you disconnect the lines from the pump, put them into a drain pan, and turn the wheel lock to lock a few times to bleed the lines it makes it better.
If you don't mind settling for steering more difficult than a basic manual rack, then proceed with looping the power steering.

My recommendation:

Just install a replacement power steering rack and do it right.
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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 05:14 AM
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My Integra is easier to steer with all the p/s stuff hooked up and fluid in it without the belt on than my Civic has ever been a manual rack. It’s up to the op, but he’s got more to think about.
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