1994 accord LX coupe MT

So I recently had front,side,& trans mounts changed, come to realize the job was done poorly, went to dealer so I could have them make a written report detailing the improper installation, well they at first told me there was no issue, I ask them to recheck knowing that there is, there is about a 1\4 inch gap between the engine bracket and driverside mounts mating surfaces, only on the firewall side, everything iv been able to find online as well as in my helms FSM tell me there should be one stud and one bolt. @ Honda dealer, both the mechanic & advisor both stood there and told me that they both should be studs. I know my buddies b18 integra has 2 studs on the enginebracket, but I also have a (94 accord ex sedan AT)in my driveway and it has 1 bolt one stud. Majestic shows me the diagram of the bracket and the mount both showing the use of one stud and one bolt. So why do I have 2 studs now, I'm not 100% sure that it was 1 stud 1 bolt before I got mounts done, but everything I can get my hands on tells me that's how it should be. The reason this is an issue is because Honda is telling me that the reason there's a gap is because its an aftermarket mount and it doesn't fit properly, because of that they can't fully tighten down that side. When I told them that I think its because there's an upside down bolt, they tell me it is a stud. I offered to show them my manual, they said they already have all that information. LOL they also wanted $140 a side to take dial indicator measurements of the hub/bearing. At first they said its not possible to check, that they'd have to remove the bearing to check, then I showed them a picture of the test and they tell me $280.... To take off a rim and spin the rotor. I think not. But still haven't figured out the 2 studs thing so any ideas?

 

P.O. had a timing belt done by a shop and they stripped the bolt out of the mount. Since that bolt hole is drilled all the way through they installed a bolt up from the bottom with a nut on top.

So instead of #23 bolt there is now a large bolt with a nut on top. Not sure what gap you are referring to though.

 

I have the helms manual for the car so I have the diagrams, its just I remember there being a bolt there before the mount was changed by independent repair shop, and now its 2 studs. the engine was put in by the same Honda dealer about a year ago iv owned the car for 3+,it was used but I am pretty confident that the mount was correct when I got it,i cant say for certain only because i lack photos. The gap I'm talking about is between the mount and engine bracket. Only on the side that should be a bolt. The stud side is flush where the bracket and mount meet, I first thought they had installed the bolt upside down from the bottom, however when Honda told me it was a stud I ran my hand under it and sure enough couldn't feel a head, right now I'm thinking it was there but maybe got sheared off. However I'm utterly confused that the Honda Dealer is assuring me it is a stud, and should be a stud. They called a mechanic out we popped the hood and everything, they told me that's how it should be and that the gap is because of aftermarket mount. I should have brought my book and I definitely am going to next time, because they all just shrugged it off because they thought they knew better than a 23 year old with a ponytail. Its funny and annoying because I already know what's wrong I just need them to put it on paper for court and its like I have to hold their hand step by step. I saw tears in the front mount that Honda apparently can't/wont see without talking off the mount you know for $150+. My cell phone was able to see it but a certified dealer mechanic can't. Any tips to approach the situation with them?

 

My 1994 accord lx Mt has 1 stud and 1 bolt. Fwiw

 

I'm not quite following what gap you speak of. Can you post a pic?

 

Here is best shots of the gap I currently have



How do I make the pictures smaller D:

 

Are the mounts, in fact, aftermarket? I there a bolt head under the engine-side bracket? From the pic, it looks like the stud that's on my firewall side of the driver mount...

Are you trying to document the problem, or fix it? There's a whole procedure for setting those mounts in the Honda Shop Manual- really more of a torque sequence, if memory serves... If done right, that should be drawn all the way up tight. You can find the manual in a pdf online, for free. Good luck!

 

I mean no disrespect at all, and I'm not trying to be a dbag but every reply/post in this thread states I have the helms already, I understand your trying to help and I appreciate it, so if you just skimmed past that, missing it twice no big deal.

Back to the point, what do you mean it looks like the stud on your firewall side? Possible to provide a picture? What kind of mounts are you using, and what motor

After a little looking around it seems civics and tegras had 2 stud side mounts, But accords should have a stud and a bolt. Dealer finally concluded the same but i did have to provide them with every shred of proof available, but I'm saving the voicemail the dealer ​​​​​​left me, telling me I was right. Man the feels

 

Honestly I don't really understand why you are concerned about it being a stud instead of a bolt. I think most of the time with my Hondas they have 2 studs unless the studs were damaged and replaced by bolts. I prefer the studs myself. hmm..... I feel like there is a joke there but I don't have the energy to rewrite my comment.

Looking at the pic its super hard to tell but maybe its just the wrong stud. I cant see any threads in between the mount. It may just be the pic. Generally there is an un-threaded area between the threads and maybe the gap is too wide The stud is bottomed out on the block side and bottomed out on the bolt so it cannot tighten all the way. My suggestion is to pull the stud and check, maybe you can get a cleaner pic in that area.

Don't focus on the fact that there is a stud and not a bolt, that really is not important. Just a note I am assuming this is the mount on the timing belt side. I don't really care what mount you have installed it should be flush, the motor will tilt quite a bit to match up with the mount. Also... I'm not sure what would prevent the second stud from tightening all the mount all the way. Very strange. If its not tight the motor will most likely shift and click on that mount until the bolts snap, strip or just back out.

Actually.... looking at the pic... its just not clear enough to tell. I originally thought I could see the threads coming out of the bottom but honestly I also feel like I am seeing the head of a bolt in between... get a cleaner pic

 

Maybe they replaced both studs with the wrong studs. That would make total sense for what I am seeing. If you tossed some washers in between bracket and mount it would easily fix the problem. They may have done that already. As long as its solid I wouldn't be super concerned with it. The slight angle change shouldn't be an issue.

 

Ok... looking at the pics more... Looking where the stud is connected on the engine side. There is a recessed circle around the stud. If the motor mount is not machined cleanly it could be bottoming out on the raised section. The dealer may be right and its just the replacement mount. Again its hard to see in the pics. Get some better pics and we may have a better idea what your issue is.