Ok guys I have a 2000 Accord with the F23 (Auto/Sedan) ..Well I'm wondering what all needs to be done mostly internally to make an eBay turbo kit work and work right I know it will need a tune when it's all said and done but what about other things like rods, pistons, port/polish, valves, etc. The kit already comes with a turbo manifold and EVERY part and fitting to bolt the turbo, intercooler, etc. up but I mostly just need to know about limits on the internals and what's absolutely needed I'm not looking for crazy power it's my daily but I want to hit at least 200 h.p. and still be reliable but also what's better doing this F23 turbo or an H23 Bluetop swap (which will possibly later be turbo'd) so far I've seen the swap is cheaper (I will be doing everything myself with a couple of friends and trusty snap-ons &#128516 please get back to me I'd love to know the cost/hp (rough estimate) of each, reliability, which is still sorta fuel-efficient (my accord already drinks gas like a small V8 it seems like) overall what is the best option for me thanks anyone!!! (BTW) regardless of which I go with it will be swapped to a manual I hate auto! Thanks!

 

You say you got all the bits and pieces already, so you're only missing the fuel injectors, a good set of gauges (boost and oil pressure), lower temp thermostat (optional if needed) colder spark plugs (example: ngk bkr7e), and chip/tune. (crome, neptune, hondata, some sort of engine management system, obd2 to obd1 conversion, etc)
8-10lbs of boost should net your goal.
You can do internal work, but it's not needed to reach 200whp.

Be careful of the eBay oil feed lines and fittings. They break and snap easily.

 

Thanks for the info! That's about all I noticed missing also, and thanks for the heads up on the lines that would be just the thing to get my day going lol...is there anything internally that needs to be upgraded with pushing 8-10 p.s.i.? Also the kit comes with a manual boost controller there was a YouTube guy that built my same car but was 2DR and he said never go over 7 p.s.i. unless you have an EBC does this actually matter as much as he says reliability wise? I'm very new to being hands on with turbos or forced induction at all lol I've read up a good bit and watched a good bit of videos about them to know how to install but never physically worked with any of it ....I haven't bought the turbo kit just yet I'm kind of in between ATM on either the H22A/H23 swap or just doing the F23 Turbo. ..if internals need upgraded I'll most likely swap because F23 internals are EXPENSIVE AND HARD TO COME BY!!!! (Aftermarket at least) Let me know and again I appreciate the response and heads up this is my first post for this forum so pardon my rambling please lol I just have a lot of questions and I know the Honda community is huge and FULL of knowledge that I need!!!

 

Ya can get by without upgrading the internals.

The eBay BC I got was junk, I dont know whats out there now.
I ran a "T" then found a xenocron BC.
If you only want to boost 8-10lbs, ya can just get or check if ya have a 8-10lbs wastegate spring, then ya dont need a boost controller.

If ya go over 10lbs boost you'll need to upgrade your map sensor too.

 

Ok thanks again....I really can't believe the price of the F23 cam, Rods, etc. It gets pretty ridiculous compared to a K20 or other more mod friendly engines I would love to buy a more expensive turbo (if I do go that route) something with pretty good reviews just to prevent heartache lol mainly the reason I'm so focused on my accord is bc 1.That's the only Honda I have and 2.There's a 94' Civic hatch (turbo'd) that rides around here and keeps up with our 04 mustang GT (316hp with it's mods) like it's nothing (because it's so much lighter I guess?) and I hear people talk crap about accords way too much as well so I wanna show him an accord can still be fast he has an eBay turbo setup as well! Maybe in the future I will do a more performance oriented build plan with it to outrun him hopefully but right now I'd just like 40hp or so, it's just too underpowered ATM and I think a turbo will give it the little extra spark that it needs and yeah mostly between 7-10 psi is what I would be doing to begin with it will give me more simple experience with turbos before I dive in and good advice as well on only needing a wastegate to a certain psi because I didn't know that I thought a BC was required! You're already teaching me a good bit lol I know internals and rebuilds mostly but nowhere near what I need to know about turbos considering I want to install one!

 

I really appreciate all the info but one more big question is do you know what would be best for fuel management I've heard stock fuel pump is fine for what I want but what about the actual Fuel/Engine management, do I need that stuff? If so what do you consider good options hopefully cheap but reliable (if it's even needed) I'd like to stay obd2 but I would be willing to convert to OBD if it would make everything easier really!

 

I went chipped obd1 ecu on crome and tuned.
My tuner told me the stock pump should be good up to 200whp.
Anything over I'd get a Walboro 255. Someone in here mentioned a Mustang Fuel Pump, Ionno.

You can use a fmu for cheap engine management, but I dont recommend it.
It's mechanical way to boost up your fuel pressure according to boost /vac pressure.
It's an old school piggyback method.

I went 2 weeks without any engine management (while waiting for my tuning appointment)
just stay out of boost, and use premium gas.
I was getting 40mpg, yeah, that means it was running real lean.

I think you can use an Apexi SAFC, but them things are a PITA to play with.

Stand alone engine management systems are expensive, Greddy, HKS, AEM, etc.

I recommend obd1 ecu, chipped, obd2-obd1 conversion harness, and tune.
That should be around $300-400.

 

Ok thanks I definitely needed fuel/Engine management info that's one thing that I know nothing about lol! Definitely great info!

 

I really suggest getting some forged rods and pistons to beef up your low end a bit. More aggressive cams with a good tune as well so you can handle a nice amount of boost (7-12lb). ARP headstuds are a must to prevent your head from lifting. If money isnt a factor you could look online for sleeves for your block and you could up the amount of boost your block can handle.



-Bam

 

What ended up being the best way to tune the vehicle for boost? On the 1999 Accord with the 2.3L can you just have the ECU tuned, or do you need a piggy back system such as the Apexi Neo and similar?

I have an interest for using turbos in the 300-500HP range, not for racing, but to provide a better driving experience and safer passing. Turbo's in mind are the Garret GTX2860R, EFR6758 or EFR7163.

 

If that 40mpg wasn't damaging the engine and not hurting you in any way except perhaps some higher emissions in certain qualities, it would be useful to have that "tune" on tap for idle and low throttle driving situations.