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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 04:03 AM
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I have a boosted b16 motor and i run it without a thermostat,it's my daily driver, will this cause any damages eventually?
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 05:28 AM
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 05:49 AM
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I would at the VERY LEAST put a low temperature thermostat in. If you're in Jamaica, I hope it's warm enough to at least get the car close to operating temperature. But in short, yes- you'll wear out components much faster than intended.
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 06:03 AM
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why not just have a standard thermostat? jeez. I don't know personally if it will damage parts over time, my gut is telling me it wont, as long as you let it warm up PROPERLY, if you beat on it while its still cold, that will damage it over time.
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by thugsbryan
I have a boosted b16 motor and i run it without a thermostat,it's my daily driver, will this cause any damages eventually?
I've noticed that many people in the Caribbean are performing services on their aluminum blocks as though they are cast iron blocks; using tips and tricks that the Toyota guys are using in their Hondas or other 4 cylinder platforms.

You're not the first person that I've dealt with in the Caribbean (Jamaica, St. Lucia, Antigua, Barbados, etc), that tend to remove thermostats in an effort to believe that removing it completely allows the engine to properly cool, because it is continually cycling. THIS IS A FALSE PREMISE!!! DO NOT FALL FOR IT

Iron blocks don't have the differences in temperature changes like aluminum ones, and was considered to be an older school Toyota trick to use, simply because most of those blocks (from the 4AGE to the 2JZ-GTE) have always run inherently hot compared to other platforms. So, many people make the mistake of using the same tactics that they thought worked for their Toyota or older Mitsubishi, work on their Honda aluminum block.


The coolant needs to cycle through the fins of the radiator and create the lower temperature of the coolant, so that when the thermostat opens (when the radiator fan cycles) actual cooler coolant can go through the engine in periods of time. Taking out the thermostat never works, because you're continually cycling hot coolant through the system.

Remember, as the coolant is moving, it is siphoning the heat created from the cylinders and needs to cool through the radiator. But it takes time to build up and cycle out the hot coolant for the cold. (That's why one hose is hot, the other is cold at the bottom.


So, please stop doing this and tell others in your area to stop, also. All you'll do is crack a sleeve or lose a head gasket. Use an OEM thermostat, or slightly lower than stock operating temperature. PUT A THERMOSTAT IN THE SYSTEM, AND STOP LISTENING TO THESE OLD TOYOTA TACTICS..

The key is to USE BETTER COOLANT. Since you're in the Caribbean, use either Honda OEM blue coolant, or Toyota "Pink".. (You can use "Red" concentrate Toyota coolant that is usually made for trucks, but add distilled water to create the "pink" as a 50/50 mix).
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 07:43 PM
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I've noticed that many people in the Caribbean are performing services on their aluminum blocks as though they are cast iron blocks; using tips and tricks that the Toyota guys are using in their Hondas or other 4 cylinder platforms.

You're not the first person that I've dealt with in the Caribbean (Jamaica, St. Lucia, Antigua, Barbados, etc), that tend to remove thermostats in an effort to believe that removing it completely allows the engine to properly cool, because it is continually cycling. THIS IS A FALSE PREMISE!!! DO NOT FALL FOR IT

Iron blocks don't have the differences in temperature changes like aluminum ones, and was considered to be an older school Toyota trick to use, simply because most of those blocks (from the 4AGE to the 2JZ-GTE) have always run inherently hot compared to other platforms. So, many people make the mistake of using the same tactics that they thought worked for their Toyota or older Mitsubishi, work on their Honda aluminum block.


The coolant needs to cycle through the fins of the radiator and create the lower temperature of the coolant, so that when the thermostat opens (when the radiator fan cycles) actual cooler coolant can go through the engine in periods of time. Taking out the thermostat never works, because you're continually cycling hot coolant through the system.

Remember, as the coolant is moving, it is siphoning the heat created from the cylinders and needs to cool through the radiator. But it takes time to build up and cycle out the hot coolant for the cold. (That's why one hose is hot, the other is cold at the bottom.


So, please stop doing this and tell others in your area to stop, also. All you'll do is crack a sleeve or lose a head gasket. Use an OEM thermostat, or slightly lower than stock operating temperature. PUT A THERMOSTAT IN THE SYSTEM, AND STOP LISTENING TO THESE OLD TOYOTA TACTICS..

The key is to USE BETTER COOLANT. Since you're in the Caribbean, use either Honda OEM blue coolant, or Toyota "Pink".. (You can use "Red" concentrate Toyota coolant that is usually made for trucks, but add distilled water to create the "pink" as a 50/50 mix).
Thanks alot for the info and input, yes I'm in Jamaica and the honda guys here tend to remove their thermostat as to help d car to run cooler, when in traffic the car goes to operating temperature but once driving it tends to drop below operating temp and if I go on a long drive say on the highway it never reaches operating temp, when I start the car in the morning it takes a while to get to operating temp, i don't rev the car unless I see my oil pressure Guage goes to a warm enough reading tho, so I was just wondering if I will damage anyting running the car this cool, I was thinking of putting in a gates low temp thermostat with a 50/50 mixture coolant If that's a good combination to run for my tropical climate
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
The key is to USE BETTER COOLANT. Since you're in the Caribbean, use either Honda OEM blue coolant, or Toyota "Pink".. (You can use "Red" concentrate Toyota coolant that is usually made for trucks, but add distilled water to create the "pink" as a 50/50 mix).
OEM blue has better cooling then the green stuff?
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 08:01 PM
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OEM blue has better cooling then the green stuff?
I wouldn't have said it, if I didn't mean it.
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by thugsbryan
Thanks alot for the info and input, yes I'm in Jamaica and the honda guys here tend to remove their thermostat as to help d car to run cooler, when in traffic the car goes to operating temperature but once driving it tends to drop below operating temp and if I go on a long drive say on the highway it never reaches operating temp, when I start the car in the morning it takes a while to get to operating temp, i don't rev the car unless I see my oil pressure Guage goes to a warm enough reading tho, so I was just wondering if I will damage anyting running the car this cool, I was thinking of putting in a gates low temp thermostat with a 50/50 mixture coolant If that's a good combination to run for my tropical climate
Not with ANY 50/50.. Use what I'm suggesting please.

Respect!
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 08:09 PM
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Not with ANY 50/50.. Use what I'm suggesting please.

Respect!
Ok but it's not so easy to get honda blue or Toyota pink coolant here, so wats d next best ting? And that's not jamaicas flag, lol,
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 08:12 PM
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Part of my family is from Barbados. I'm well aware of what flag that is, smarty...

Now that you're done teaching me about my own flag.. Those coolants are the two best. you can get Toyota Red in Jamaica. I'm quite sure. There is nothing better after that than garbage.
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 08:18 PM
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Part of my family is from Barbados. I'm well aware of what flag that is, smarty...

Now that you're done teaching me about my own flag.. Those coolants are the two best. you can get Toyota Red in Jamaica. I'm quite sure. There is nothing better after that than garbage.
Lol, ok, jus thought u made a mistake with the flag, ok i will try to find the Toyota coolant, is oil based coolant any good?
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 09:32 PM
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ok i will try to find the Toyota coolant, is oil based coolant any good?
No...
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Old Feb 24, 2016 | 03:03 AM
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No...
Ok then
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Old Feb 24, 2016 | 10:34 PM
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Mishimoto makes a chill addative for radiator fluid you could possible use to keep the temps down a lil bit further.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 07:39 AM
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Mishimoto makes a chill addative for radiator fluid you could possible use to keep the temps down a lil bit further.
which is expensive, because now he has to ship to the caribbean. It's not like getting items on the mainland. That's easily twice as expensive as him going to the dealership and just ordering some in mass quantity.

Island life = Island thinking.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 05:23 PM
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Maybe you can check your Toyota or Honda dealer. I don't think you will find those coolants at your regular car part store.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 05:27 PM
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Maybe you can check your Toyota or Honda dealer. I don't think you will find those coolants at your regular car part store.
Ye i will
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