Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (grenthang)
well im not to familiar with the older gen b16 motors but ill tell you some places where to find good prices -
Osakajdmmotors.com has the best I've seen so far
HONDAMOTORSONLINE.com is pretty decent from what I've heard
and JDMHONDAPARTS.com is also good but from what i've hear they dont have the best support.
good luck
Osakajdmmotors.com has the best I've seen so far
HONDAMOTORSONLINE.com is pretty decent from what I've heard
and JDMHONDAPARTS.com is also good but from what i've hear they dont have the best support.
good luck
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (grenthang)
can i just use a 94-00 tranny to elimnate the cable tranny problem
and your gonna need a clutch
theres 300-400 more
look
your already at 2100$-2200$.
oh
distributor, and ECU
theres 200-350 more.
see?
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (KAMiN)
can i just use a 94-00 tranny to elimnate the cable tranny problem
ok theres 600$
and your gonna need a clutch
theres 300-400 more
look
your already at 2100$-2200$.
oh
distributor, and ECU
theres 200-350 more.
see?
ok theres 600$
and your gonna need a clutch
theres 300-400 more
look
your already at 2100$-2200$.
oh
distributor, and ECU
theres 200-350 more.
see?
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (couter)
depends how u shop around. if r smart with bargaining and are patient go for it. i know a few friends who got their b16a swaps cheap this way. if u shop around right on the west coast 1g long blocks arent worth ****. but most places are charging WAYYYY TOO MUCH now days for motors from 1989 with 160HP from the factory, due to the decreasing abundance of them.
another thing, if you are rebuilding the motor go for it also. id at least replace timing belt, headgasket, plugs, and oil/water pump, resurface head maybe .010 if that.
another thing, if you are rebuilding the motor go for it also. id at least replace timing belt, headgasket, plugs, and oil/water pump, resurface head maybe .010 if that.
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (couter)
plus it cost the same or prolly more its illegal to put a older motor into a newer car
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (JaeOne3345)
"its been said many times before. 1st gen in a 5th gen OBD1 hatch will cost more. Go buy a 2nd gen B16A swap and save your self a head ache."
i agree and disagree....
anyways like the thread uptop if you have friends with extra parts it will cost less... but if you have to peice it together it will cost just as much or more then a second gen...
my total cost of the swap was $1200, this didnt include the tranny(buddy owed me a big favor so he gave me his gsr tranny)the 1200 included clutch,axle,dist,ecu... misc.... fluid etc...etc... all that good stuff...
if your on a budget and have time to shop go for it... its alot of work converting it to OBD1 but its worth it....
i agree and disagree....
anyways like the thread uptop if you have friends with extra parts it will cost less... but if you have to peice it together it will cost just as much or more then a second gen...
my total cost of the swap was $1200, this didnt include the tranny(buddy owed me a big favor so he gave me his gsr tranny)the 1200 included clutch,axle,dist,ecu... misc.... fluid etc...etc... all that good stuff...
if your on a budget and have time to shop go for it... its alot of work converting it to OBD1 but its worth it....
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (DOHCtorTHRUST)
"its been said many times before. 1st gen in a 5th gen OBD1 hatch will cost more. Go buy a 2nd gen B16A swap and save your self a head ache."
i agree and disagree....
anyways like the thread uptop if you have friends with extra parts it will cost less... but if you have to peice it together it will cost just as much or more then a second gen...
my total cost of the swap was $1200, this didnt include the tranny(buddy owed me a big favor so he gave me his gsr tranny)the 1200 included clutch,axle,dist,ecu... misc.... fluid etc...etc... all that good stuff...
if your on a budget and have time to shop go for it... its alot of work converting it to OBD1 but its worth it....
i agree and disagree....
anyways like the thread uptop if you have friends with extra parts it will cost less... but if you have to peice it together it will cost just as much or more then a second gen...
my total cost of the swap was $1200, this didnt include the tranny(buddy owed me a big favor so he gave me his gsr tranny)the 1200 included clutch,axle,dist,ecu... misc.... fluid etc...etc... all that good stuff...
if your on a budget and have time to shop go for it... its alot of work converting it to OBD1 but its worth it....
why would you put a motor from a 89 in a 92-95 car when you can get a 92+ JDM or 94+up usdm B16A swap for the same price.
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (B_Cruz)
i dont even race with this motor anymore, out here in (i live in NorCal) its starting to get really competitive on the streets(when dragging...) thats why im building a new motor and have this motor sitting on the side incase my new motor blows...
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (DOHCtorTHRUST)
i dont even race with this motor anymore, out here in (i live in NorCal) its starting to get really competitive on the streets(when dragging...) thats why im building a new motor and have this motor sitting on the side incase my new motor blows...
Straight line racing is boring though
and very stupid and dangerous especially on public roads 
.but back to the subject... it will cost you more in the long run to put a 12 year old motor with god knows how many miles on it than to just buy a OBD1 B16A or B17A motor. If you don't have enough now just save up till you do. It will be well worth it in the longrun.
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (JaeOne3345)
if he got a 89 jdm b16a or a 99 jdm b16a, it doesnt really matter, its still jdm. usdm would be needed, and thats even more bank, which it seems he doesnt wanna spend.
99 B16 = 170hp and 3 years old
I'd pay extra for a new motor with more HP...
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (buzlink)
Buy the correct swap - the second-gen 170hp B16A.
You *might* only save a few hundred dollars once you add up all the **** it takes to make the first-gen B16A work in your car. What stuff?
1.HASport mount kit with cable-hydro convertor - $650.00
2. OBD1 Del Sol VTEC or Second-gen B16A distributor - $150.00 or more and it might noit even last long
3. Re-chipped P28 or P30 ECU - $275.00-$300.00
4. Correct 1994-up VTEC axles - $220.00 or so since you have no cores to offer in exchange
Plus the first-gens are weaker, their trannies SUCK, and the cable-hydro converted cars clutches just feel awkward.
I'm not talking out of my *** - I've driven a few first-gen B16A-powered hatches and they just didn't feel good.
http://www.osakajdmmotors.com sells the OBD1 170hp Second-Gen B16A swaps for only $1,850!!! You probably can't even duplicate that by buying the $1,050.00 first-gen swap and then adding all the parts I listed above!
...and if you absolutely MUST get the first-gen then at least get a J1 or JSM S1 tranny only! The Y1 has taller gears and a 4.26 Fd while the JDM S1/J1 has ITR-like gearing and the 4.400 FD.
The trannies still suck because at least 50% grind from the get-go and the rebuild kits are almost impossible to find since no USDM tranny parts are the same.
You *might* only save a few hundred dollars once you add up all the **** it takes to make the first-gen B16A work in your car. What stuff?
1.HASport mount kit with cable-hydro convertor - $650.00
2. OBD1 Del Sol VTEC or Second-gen B16A distributor - $150.00 or more and it might noit even last long
3. Re-chipped P28 or P30 ECU - $275.00-$300.00
4. Correct 1994-up VTEC axles - $220.00 or so since you have no cores to offer in exchange
Plus the first-gens are weaker, their trannies SUCK, and the cable-hydro converted cars clutches just feel awkward.
I'm not talking out of my *** - I've driven a few first-gen B16A-powered hatches and they just didn't feel good.
http://www.osakajdmmotors.com sells the OBD1 170hp Second-Gen B16A swaps for only $1,850!!! You probably can't even duplicate that by buying the $1,050.00 first-gen swap and then adding all the parts I listed above!
...and if you absolutely MUST get the first-gen then at least get a J1 or JSM S1 tranny only! The Y1 has taller gears and a 4.26 Fd while the JDM S1/J1 has ITR-like gearing and the 4.400 FD.
The trannies still suck because at least 50% grind from the get-go and the rebuild kits are almost impossible to find since no USDM tranny parts are the same.
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (B_Cruz)
4. Correct 1994-up VTEC axles - $220.00 or so since you have no cores to offer in exchange
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Re: Putting old b16 in 92-95 civic (RR98DX)
if he got a 89 jdm b16a or a 99 jdm b16a, it doesnt really matter, its still jdm. usdm would be needed, and thats even more bank, which it seems he doesnt wanna spend.
89 B16 = 160hp and 13 years old
99 B16 = 170hp and 3 years old
I'd pay extra for a new motor with more HP...
89 B16 = 160hp and 13 years old
99 B16 = 170hp and 3 years old
I'd pay extra for a new motor with more HP...
. and id rebuild the bitch anyway if it was a 1st gen,
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