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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 11:55 AM
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I have a 2001 Civic, D17A1. I'm rebuilding the engine. I decided to put a new oil pressure switch in. Well, I was ignorant and torqued the thing down too much and it snapped off. Then I tried using one of those broken bolt removers, but I used a smaller remover than the original drill bit called for, and when I tried to take it out, it snapped, and now I'm not sure what to do, because I can't drill through the bit that is snapped off inside there.

Will my engine run ok if I don't have an oil pressure switch?

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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 04:51 PM
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Yes you definitely need the oil pressure sending unit for the cluster warning light.





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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 05:13 PM
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To get that out of there, you could try purchasing a smaller carbide endmill or drill and drilling out the center of your EZ-Out to make room for a smaller size EZ-Out.
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 06:06 PM
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thats good, lets break off yet another easy out in there. toque the hell out of something, snap it off, and everyone runs for the easy out, OP you are pretty much screwed, have fun getting the metal shavings from a carbide out of your oil passage, EZ out = hardest most brittle cheap tool known to man
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
thats good, lets break off yet another easy out in there. toque the hell out of something, snap it off, and everyone runs for the easy out, OP you are pretty much screwed, have fun getting the metal shavings from a carbide out of your oil passage, EZ out = hardest most brittle cheap tool known to man
Wow, that's a dreadful depressing world that you live in. Thanks for sharing.
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
thats good, lets break off yet another easy out in there. toque the hell out of something, snap it off, and everyone runs for the easy out, OP you are pretty much screwed, have fun getting the metal shavings from a carbide out of your oil passage, EZ out = hardest most brittle cheap tool known to man
I didn't say drill through. I said drill out the center. If you keep it from drilling through the taper of the EZ-Out, you shouldn't have any sort of issue with metal shavings from this stage of repair. I don't know how far down the original pilot hole was made for the first EZ-Out. If he drilled through the OPS, then there's already a bunch of metal shavings in the passage and is going to be a nightmare to try and clean.

PS. I've actually removed a destroyed EZ-Out by machining out the center and using a smaller sized EZ-Out. I loved it when I heard that I had to repair one of our maintenance-shops mistakes like that. "Send it to the Tool Room, they can fix it..."
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 06:49 PM
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Wow, that's a dreadful depressing world that you live in. Thanks for sharing.
I'm a machinist, people find out and bring me crap at work with broken easy outs in it all the time, they are nearly impossible to remove, the things are harder then almost anything you can use to remove them, never try to use one of those things to remove something broken from something, that you can't afford to throw away. OP you can try a carbide but your best bet is to disassemble it, and take it to a shop who has a tap disintintigrator and let them burn it out, it would have been much easier to remove if the stupid ez out wasn't in it
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
I'm a machinist, people find out and bring me crap at work with broken easy outs in it all the time, they are nearly impossible to remove, the things are harder then almost anything you can use to remove them, never try to use one of those things to remove something broken from something, that you can't afford to throw away. OP you can try a carbide but your best bet is to disassemble it, and take it to a shop who has a tap disintintigrator and let them burn it out, it would have been much easier to remove if the stupid ez out wasn't in it
It's your over the top gloomy depressing negative post. Are you Eeyore from Winnie the Poo?
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 06:55 PM
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I hate Easy-Outs!
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
Why let this hate rule your life?
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 07:00 PM
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It's your over the top gloomy depressing negative post. Are you Eeyore from Winnie the Poo?
ask anyone who is a machinist what they think of those things, and you'll get the same answer, and of course the first suggestion is try to remove the easy out with another one
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
ask anyone who is a machinist what they think of those things, and you'll get the same answer, and of course the first suggestion is try to remove the easy out with another one
Then post something positive. Tell the OP the best way to remove the sending unit rather than wallowing in doom and gloom. Otherwise, move on.
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Then post something positive. Tell the OP the best way to remove the sending unit rather than wallowing in doom and gloom. Otherwise, move on.
I did, a carbide will probably break, you have one of the hardest things known to man broken off inside of the remains of the threads of the sender, of couse them being a helix, they are now pressing the threads even tighter against the block, like i said, don't make it worse, it probably has to come apart, and the remains of the extractor burned out with a tap disintigrator, I wish I could give you a happier answer, but I can't, if the ex out wasn't in there, the remains of the sender would have probably drilled out with a left hand drill bit, and came right out, I'm not going to sugarcoat it, this is now a serious problem to fix
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 07:19 PM
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 07:43 PM
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Thanks for your thoughts.
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 08:33 PM
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If I could afford one of those machines I could make a living burning out taps and ez outs, best of luck OP
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
ask anyone who is a machinist what they think of those things, and you'll get the same answer, and of course the first suggestion is try to remove the easy out with another one
I'm a tool and die maker. My company manufacturers (and runs) RIM molds. I've used EZ-Outs without issue for years. I've used .125 carbide endmills to machine out the center of them when we get a maintenance person trying to use one with an impact driver or drill. Using a tap handle, it's rather simple to feel when they're grabbing and when they aren't.

Are they better then a disintegrator? Nope.
Will they work for several applications? Certainly.

Ideally, I'd like to never need an EZ-Out, but things happen.
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Old Feb 23, 2015 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by toyomatt84
I'm a tool and die maker. My company manufacturers (and runs) RIM molds. I've used EZ-Outs without issue for years. I've used .125 carbide endmills to machine out the center of them when we get a maintenance person trying to use one with an impact driver or drill. Using a tap handle, it's rather simple to feel when they're grabbing and when they aren't.

Are they better then a disintegrator? Nope.
Will they work for several applications? Certainly.

Ideally, I'd like to never need an EZ-Out, but things happen.
you might be able to do it, but the average person is going to just make a mess, most people when something breaks, they go into panic mode, and get it out any way possible, I've seen the results of someone not even being able to get a hole on center, there is a new drill bit out, I can't remember what it's called, but it's actually harder then an easy out and is designed to grind them out
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
you might be able to do it, but the average person is going to just make a mess, most people when something breaks, they go into panic mode, and get it out any way possible, I've seen the results of someone not even being able to get a hole on center, there is a new drill bit out, I can't remember what it's called, but it's actually harder then an easy out and is designed to grind them out
TTP Stainless perhaps?

I guess you're right. Not everyone will have the same experience with removing EZ-Outs as I do. It's probably not something that should be attempted by the less experienced. However, if it does work... you could potentially save a ton of time and money.
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Old Feb 23, 2015 | 06:59 PM
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TTP Stainless perhaps?

I guess you're right. Not everyone will have the same experience with removing EZ-Outs as I do. It's probably not something that should be attempted by the less experienced. However, if it does work... you could potentially save a ton of time and money.
snap on is supposed to have a special bit designed to remove specifically ez outs, I think they are around 30 bucks each
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