Okay to start off I've done my research just want more input on this build

current build
1993 eg8(sedan)
1997 b18b1
Rebuilt b16 tranny(NON-LSD)
Completely stock
Stock ecu
Bar'd and ref'd
Micro polished cams(had it done for free from local shop included in with some hot tanking I had done)

Goals-I'm not looking to make anything crazy just something a little more fun to drive.
This is my daily so for the most part I'm keeping it stock/looking stock (I don't mind internal work like pistons and valvetrain because it's hidden obviously not building to pass smog)

Build-
P8R casting head
Port and polished
Milling
Hot tanked and bead blasted
Either stock cams micro polished/machine work and having the valve train micro polished or crower 403 cams w/matching valvetrain
Pistons I am unsure as to if typeR pistons are a good bang for your buck? I've seen them go for roughly 60-80$ in my town. Or if stocks will hold up fine
Porting the intake manifold to 70mm an polished or skunk2 carb legal
Porting the throttle body to 70mm an polished or skunk 2 carb legal
Dc 4-2-1 carb legal headers
Aem v2 carb legal intake
hondata s300 dyno tuned

Besides that leaving the block stock I only say pistons because I can replace them without dropping the block and can do it in give or take a couple hours.

Questions-
Is the Headwork worth the money?(no I'm not going Ls-Vtec this is a daily driven car and I have a whole other car that is built and not doing much to this car but make it more fun to drjve and looking stock as possible

Stock intakemani+throttle body with machine work or skunk2 carb legal?

would really love to here Imput of some veterans/people more knowledgable on the subject

Pics of motor-

 

Get an LSD for your transmission. Run Crower 403 cams; don't bother changing the pistons; I'd also say don't even bother port and polishing the head.

Professional Products makes a much nicer TB than Skunk2; port match it to the manifold.

 

The best upgrade to make that motor shine and "more fun?"
B16 tranny...and you already have it

 

How much you trying to drop on this thing? once you know that then you can figure out what makes sense to do.

 

Def some good advice here. A good combo of bolt ons with something like crower 403s and a b16 Trans. Also get a tune even if just a street tune. Im there now just stock cams still it's quite fun around town

 

Okay so I decided **** keeping the Ls head most cops don't know the differene and I don't go around fast af, straight piped showing off like a little kid. So I picked up some 81mm ctr pyramid pistons and arp rod bolt. My question is it worth shot pinning(I believe that's how it's spelt) the rods?

 

Is there a down side to getting it done?

 

As to my knowledge shot-peening/pinning is like putting small tiny dents in the rods that compresses them therefore strengthening them? I mean I plan on having it done since I already pulled the Ls pistons out and got arp rod bolts and plan on having everything balanced

 

Yeah...you really don't want to use those ctr pistons. ..

Do you have e85 around you?

 

I only have 2 choices(well I can always sell them and buy different a but in reality inhave 2 sets) 2.0 CTR pistons and boring the block over to a 2.0 OR stock pr3 Jdm b16A pistons. I have both of them brand new rings and wrist pins. I've heard good from both. I know with b16 pistons I can run HIGH lift cams and with ctr's I can't. Also my b16 head is fresh out the shopddc4d 97 spec ITR cams, brand new 97 spec ITR valvetrain, new valve stem seals, new valve guides, port and polished(exhaust side is polished, intake side is ported(running 68mm intake mani ad throttle body) and still a little rough so the gas can grab onto it and break down, new lifters, cams are going back in to be micro polished, and they said whenever I'm ready they are throwing in a free 5-angle valve job since ie been down there so much lately. Pics:

Also yes I have e85 literally 5 mins from y house like roughly 2 miles from my house but this will be a daily driven build I want to kinda stay away from tuning on e85 cause it's more of a hassle whenever I travel or go out of town. But I do know it's a lot better and can pull more power out of e85

 

You cant bore a b18 block to 84mm. Not gonna happen. Ctr pistons are rediculously high comp iirc, not sure thats a good idea

 

I'm in no way trying to argue or proclaim in right your wrong in no way whatsoever and seriously looking for help or I would have never of made the post

But these pistons came out if a b18b1 LS vtec I assumed he bored it over? Re sleeved it. Iran I can ask him how he made them work but he did.

Back on subject I've read all over this site of people using b16 pistons pr3's are they good for LsVtec? I would assume it's around a 10.1 CR with my b16 head?

 

I like ITR pistons on the 89mm crank/rod combo. Excellent CR for street and VERY tuneable with TONS of options for cams. Check out slowsleeper on here. He has a LSV w/ ITR pistons making 240whp...and it's a pretty simple setup.

 

i ran that setup of pr3's in an ls block with a b16 head last year. i used itr cams. the compression is borderline too high, right about 12:1 depending on your headgasket and any milling/decking done. with a big cam i think you can do it but its right on the edge of diminishing returns if you ask me. my setup was only running 27 degrees total i believe on 93 pump at wot in vtec or it would detonate. it was also only running low to mid 20's for timing up through 12-13" below 3000 rpm or it would detonate. id honestly rather have a bit lower compression and add timing.

sleeper is right, itr pistons are a solid choice. unless you are doing something crazy with huge cams, 9000+rpm or e85 or other fuel above 93 octane you dont have to go nuts with compression and somewhere around 11-11.5:1 gets the job done

 

See thank you now this makes sense to me. This was WAY more of a response I wanted than "use pr3 pistons" "use ITR pistons" or "ctr is too high" I like to have reasoning you know why I mean? I sold my ctr pistons an I already have b16 pistons now tell me, ITR's are really worth it? And 240hp all motor? I'll have to check out that build that's a lot of ******* power all motor if he just has cams and pistons

 

I am pretty sure slowsleepers build had some portwork amd went upwards of 9000 rpm but it is still a pretty straigjt forward setup. Its really all about parts that work together

 

https://honda-tech.com/all-motor-nat...-dyno-3092090/

Here is the build. He's an awesome builder so results like this ARE NOT common.

 

Yeah if he had 84mm pistons in there then the block was sleeved. Try and find out what kind of sleeves he had put in, if theyre good, chuck some boost into em and run it around 10:1 compression. Youll make massive power even on a stock ls head. More than an Na build would accomplish.

But if you wanna stay na, definitely go lsv.
I have a build b18a1 with a sweet ls head (uninstalled needs a rebuild) but if I didnt get the head so cheap I wouldve gone vtec

 

What are your guys opinion on toad racing vtec killer cams? I have a buddy that runs them on his LS-V and he loves them or never heard bads about them but I would love some imput(yes I'm going to do research but more what I'm looking for is why I should use so and so with them and benefits and why I shouldn't because I can't use or do with them.)

 

There are better options for street cars and daily drivers. The three lobe setup allows for gas mileage and performance both. Do some research and you will start to get some ideas as to why I am saying what I have said.

 

After a night if looking into them I understand more why the big 2-lobe setup wouldn't be very optimal for daily driven. I mean I still HIGHLY considering just boosting my Ls cause it's easy to make a good fun amount of power but at the same time I want to go Ls-V cause really all I would have to do to go from all motor to boost is turbo cams and turbo pistons to make good power. And obviously fuel pump and injectors ect for turbo

 

If Going boosted you don't have to go with "Turbo" Cams, just think of it like your building the best all around NA LS you can but with some forged parts like pistons an rods then a good set of Cams that help the power band in the right places, then the turbo helps increase power throughout not just down low or up high.. First though figure out what level of power you want then get the parts that make sense for that......going boosted usually involves more money then you originally expect. At least that is how I have seen it

 

Thats how I built my ls. Forged piston/rods, right around 10.8:1 ported head, jge303 cams, valvetrain, etc. The head needs a rebuild but for a stock head ls the thing friggin scoots na. Shooting for 400hp/250tq@8500 rpm. The ported head should be able to do it, my engine can live up there. If I get anywhere close to that number ill be happy. Right now its making over 150whp and 140wtq on the stock head. Ported head should make north of 180hp im hoping.

 

Okay in my opinion I couldn't pass up this deal, I traded my b16 head, just type r cams I kept the type r valve train and gave him the new b16 v/s/r that it originally came with and a stock b16 bare manifold

For
Crower 403 cams
1st gen skunk2 intake mani +throttle body ported to 68mm
Chipped p75 basemapped for stock Ls with the same cams until I get it tuned
And RC 330 injectors I believe
And he gave me 100$ ontop.

I already hae acl rod/main bearings, arp rod bolts, arp head bolts and shot preened Ls rods. What pistons can I use that will make good power N/A but when I want to boost it I can also boost them?

 

Pics of my b16 head: it was realt clean
Ctr valve power painted spoon yellow.