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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 07:59 AM
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Default EJ sedan/B18 block-B16 type R head - emissions question

So I'm getting rid of my 6th Gen Accord and picking up an EJ sedan. Mods listed below.

B18 integra gsr block
11:1 Weisco pistons
Eagle rods
Crank micro polish and crank balance
Shaved head

B16 civic type r Head
port and polished
Skunk2 Pro 1 cams(stage 1) with adjustable cam gears
Cam duration is 264/264
Skunk2 lost motion assembly
Super tech valve springs and retainers
Arp head studs
Ram air intake
Aluminum half rad
Skunk 2 intake manifold
70mm throttle body
Aem fuel rail with pressure regulator.
440cc injectors with whalbro 255 fuel pump
Catch can
4-1 headers
2.5 inch exhaust
Stage 3 clutch
chipped and tuned p28 ecu
Welded differential

And no visual mods besides coils and color-matched SiR bumpers. So basically, its a pretty mean sleeper! Right now its tuned to decimate the quarter mile. Previous owner claims 13s.. My first question; could this be achievable with this setup?

Secondly: a fellow, local Honda head said that if I wanted to make the street/emissions friendly, I'd just need to replace the exhaust with stock setup, replace injectors with stock, and get a virgin P72 ECU. Is this all true? Thanks in advance for any and all input!!
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 08:56 AM
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Dunno about your emissions guessing game but claiming 13 with no slip is basicly all up to the driver.

Also no tech.

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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 10:14 AM
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Dunno about your emissions guessing game but claiming 13 with no slip is basicly all up to the driver.

Also no tech.

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It's not a guessing game.. its something I was told and that I am unsure of, hence my post. I know what a claim of a time is, as opposed to proof of such time. You didn't even answer my question... 'is it possible?' not 'is this guy lying to me?'

And what do you mean by no tech.?
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 10:17 AM
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It's not a guessing game.. its something I was told and that I am unsure of, hence my post. I know what a claim of a time is, as opposed to proof of such time. You didn't even answer my question... 'is it possible?' not 'is this guy lying to me?'

And what do you mean by no tech.?
You are asking a bench racing question, which is not allowed because it typically leads to unnecessary arguments. Refocus this discussion on the emissions question.

Click the forum Rules link in my signature.
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 10:18 AM
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He means you're giving technical information but not asking technical questions.
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 10:21 AM
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You are asking a bench racing question, which is not allowed because it typically leads to unnecessary arguments. Refocus this discussion on the emissions question.

Click the forum Rules link in my signature.
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He means you're giving technical information but not asking technical questions.
Gotcha - thanks for the heads up guys. Wasn't aware that there were rules specific to this thread.

So yes, let me shift my focus to the emissions question, as I am not really too concerned with the performance aspect of this build just yet.
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 10:23 AM
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Previous owner claims 13...you don't know....no slip...questions on emissions without stating what city/state.........guessing game....

Do you even have receipts to prove this build is in the car?
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 10:41 AM
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Previous owner claims 13...you don't know....no slip...questions on emissions without stating what city/state.........guessing game....

Do you even have receipts to prove this build is in the car?
I haven't seen the car in person yet. I have seen a multitude of pictures and videos and I'm interested... but I am really wondering if the car is worth taking the trip up to see or not. My question, "are 13s possible", is somewhat of a test of this guys credibility, not just a simple bench racing question. My apologies for not reading the rules beforehand, though. I don't know the previous owner from a hole in the wall, nor do I know Civics well at all, really.

Now let's focus on the main question at hand; since you're such a fan of forum standards and such, why don't you look at the info to the left of my post? I am located in North Brunswick, NJ.
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 10:44 AM
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I haven't seen the car in person yet. I have seen a multitude of pictures and videos and I'm interested... but I am really wondering if the car is worth taking the trip up to see or not. My question, "are 13s possible", is somewhat of a test of this guys credibility, not just a simple bench racing question. My apologies for not reading the rules beforehand, though. I don't know the previous owner from a hole in the wall, nor do I know Civics well at all, really.

Now let's focus on the main question at hand; since you're such a fan of forum standards and such, why don't you look at the info to the left of my post? I am located in North Brunswick, NJ.
Because that info can be anything, take a look at mine.
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 10:49 AM
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Because that info can be anything, take a look at mine.
Haha, touche. Well im a proud resident of the dirty Jerz.
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 10:52 AM
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Straight to the point if your state uses a machine to scan your ecu , and that EJ previously used an obd2 ecu, you're fucked.
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 10:55 AM
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Why do you say that?
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 11:00 AM
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I'm gonna guess it's because of the ecu you are currently running......
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 11:03 AM
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Yes I know the chipped p28 wont pass. In my original post i asked if switching it out for a virgin p72, and replacing injectors and complete exhaust system with stock will get me a pass.
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 11:08 AM
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I feel like that's a lot hard than it sounds, like the whole just switching it to a p72. Let's wait and see what others have to say!
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Yes I know the chipped p28 wont pass. In my original post i asked if switching it out for a virgin p72, and replacing injectors and complete exhaust system with stock will get me a pass.
No one knows what else is missing from the car to get it up to spec to pass emissions, if you want to take a crack at it go for it.
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 11:10 AM
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Honestly that depends on how thorough/strict the inspection is. I'd be able to point out the incorrect head (no no in my state) but it doesn't mean the tech will. Same with the manifold. GSR intake manifold just visually is very different.
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Old Dec 4, 2014 | 05:17 PM
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Sorry for the late reply guys, just touched down in Miami lol.

But thanks for all the replies, I'm gonna see it once im back home next week and see how it goes from there.
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You might maybe be able to get away with a USDM OBD2A ITR ECU, but I don't know about the immobilizer situation with ITR ECUs. That's the closest stock ECU you'll find to your frankenmotor.
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You might maybe be able to get away with a USDM OBD2A ITR ECU, but I don't know about the immobilizer situation with ITR ECUs. That's the closest stock ECU you'll find to your frankenmotor.
ITR? I thought the GSR would be my best bet. Sorry, I'm new to all this
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Per your mods the engine might be more in line with a Type R engine than a GSR engine. Look up "poor mans Type R" and you'll get it.
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If you're new to this, I suggest you start a build by buying a stock car and not a modified one.
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The GSR has 10:1 compression. The USDM ITR has 10.6:1. Your setup is more in the 11.3:1 range. An OEM ITR ECU probably won't run it right, either, but it'll give it a better go than a GSR ECU would.
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Old Dec 5, 2014 | 12:34 PM
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The GSR has 10:1 compression. The USDM ITR has 10.6:1. Your setup is more in the 11.3:1 range. An OEM ITR ECU probably won't run it right, either, but it'll give it a better go than a GSR ECU would.
Ahh, alright. Thanks! Would that difference be harmful to the build at all? I'd just need that stock ECU put in to pass emissions. At the absolute longest, id be running the car on that ECU for 48 hours. Then id just toss the chipped one back in and proceed with business as usual
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I wouldn't even run it that long. Toss the stock ECU in, give it 45 minutes worth of GENTLE highway driving, take it straight to the E test, then as soon as you're done, pull into a gas station around the corner and put your chipped ECU back in.
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