Hi guys,

New to the Honda world here... (see my intro thread).

Anyway, I picked up this car as a new DD. Very fun car, but one issue is that it burns oil doing VTEC... blue smoke comes out of the exhaust when it engages. Previous owner said about every 900 miles it may need a quart.

I have a feeling this is an oil ring issue, as we did a compression test and it is 210 across the board. Car runs great. I noticed a bunch of threads on this, and all lead to rings.

I am debating on rebuilding the engine, and just seal everything up good in the process...

Is there a "engine rebuild kit" that I can get, that includes everything? Like valve seals, head gasket, piston rings, etc.? I can find some for my firebird, but hard to find one for this B18C.

Thanks all

 

possibly the valve seals are leaking. Theres rebuild kits by the millions just search ebay has them you can buy them from the dealer ect. You can replace the valve seals without pulling the head and see if that fixes the oil consumption. Theres a tool on ebay made specifically for the honda heads to pull off the valve spring retainers so you can replace the valve seals.

Just to give you an idea, although some claim to have good results from these parts i always choose OEM parts as far as piston, piston rings, head gasket, water/oil pump,timing belt.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-01-Acura-Integra-GSR-1-8-B18C1-DOHC-16V-Master-Overhaul-Engine-Rebuild-Kit-/171489389278?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3AIntegra&hash=item27ed906ade&vxp=mtr
speacial tool,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VALVE-SPRING-COMPRESSOR-TOOL-1994-2001-HONDA-INTEGRA-/121369022006?hash=item1c42284e36&item=121369022006&pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr
oem valve seals ftw!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Honda-EF8-EF9-DC5-DC2-Si-GSR-Type-R-EG6-EK-Intake-Exhaust-Valve-Stem-Seals-/381005647195?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item58b5b4cd5b&vxp=mtr

 

Yeah man sadly its either your piston rings or valve seals. There is a chance that it could be a bad PCV valve though!

 

It's never the PVC valve, it's wishful thinking a 10 dollar part causes this, but never really the case.

The engine needs a good rebuild, its pretty common for the b series to need this after some age.

 

Thanks for the posts guys. I will get that tool and try seals after I run some mystery oil through lol. Both are way easier than doing rings, and besides... if I do rings, the seals should be done anyway!

http://www.euroexportinc.com/honda-b...ing-compressor

cheaper on their website? im so confused lol

 

the ebay listing includes shipping.

 

Its probably the oil rings. I thought my engine had bad valve seals, I never replaced the seals, but after tearing down the engine, I discovered the oil rings were all sludged up and nasty as hell.

 

Yeah I have a feeling it is the rings for sure. Never know though

 

My experience has mainly been rings as well. The guides and seals can surely contribute but I have rebuilt many B18c that the major cause was rings getting stuck. If the oil scrapers get stuck in the land any vacuum condition, especially on decel will pull large amounts straight up the cylinder. These are well oiled engines, and it really shows when things aren't right.

 

Makes sense. This sucks

well... Minimal rebuild, would be rings, seals, and head gasket? Tbelt was done about 20k miles ago, so I shouldnt need that. Im trying to find OEM rings, but I heard these are decent?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acura-Integra-Honda-Civic-Piston-Rings-B16A-B18B-B18C-/360362984769?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53e74ec541
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acura-Integra-GSR-Type-R-1-8-B18C1-B18C5-Engine-Rebuild-RE-RING-KIT-NEW-/171480484845?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27ed088bed&vxp=mtr

 

Rings, hone the cylinders, bearings, gaskets, seals. It adds up fast, 500-1000 depending on parts you need

 

That kit I linked is $200 lol. Are those parts junk?

 

The kit you linked has rings so the first link isnt needed. Its all junk imo. I wouldnt trust those bearings and you still need to replace the water and oil pumps. It also doesn't have the rear main seal, and front crank seal (if you choose to reuse your old pump)

It also isnt including the cost of sending the block and crank to clean, hone the block, and micropolish the crank

 

210psi is very low for a JDM ITR. I was worried when one of my cylinders was 250psi. I'd hone/re-ring the thing. Valve seals are normally a problem when you see oil at cold starts or in deep vacuum.

 

I figured. Old Chevy motors were notorious for seals. Blue smoke at start up

 

So I theoretically can't rebuild it myself? I would have to send the crank and block out?

 

Pretty much. You have to at least send the block and crank to the machine shop to have cleaned up, checked out, and honed, etc.

 

I would send the block to get checked for cylinder roundness. if its good then just rehone if not go .020 over. If there were no bearing issues or oil starvation im sute the crank is fine they are amazingly tough.

If u are really unsure between rings or seals take the manifolds off and look at the valvestems through the ports. If there isn't a lot of oil dripping its probably the oil control rings all gummed up

 

Ugh. Not what I want to do exactly lol.

http://www.abgarage.com/machine.htm

Probably going to be a project down the road. Maybe when spring comes.

 

So it is decided. The guy I bought the civic from is a friend of mine. He's coming home the week of christmas... He said we could rebuild it at his place!

Going to use these parts...

Nippon Pistons Rings Integra B18 Civic B16 SI Type R GSR 81mm Std DOHC | eBay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARP-HEAD-STUDS-Stud-Kit-94-95-96-97-98-01-Acura-Integra-GSR-B18C-B18C1-DOHC-VTEC-/400736043770?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d4dbac2fa&vxp=mtr
once the block is apart, going to bring it to the local machine shop to have them wash/hone the block and polish/hone the crank...

Going to call the honduh dealer to get OEM parts (I get a nice price, uncle owns a garage... )

Rear Main Seal
Water Pump
Oil Pump
Valve Seals
Head Gasket
Rod Bearings

Don't think I'm missing anything. Tbelt was done ~8k miles ago, so don't need that