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Old Oct 5, 2014 | 11:24 PM
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Hey guys, I have a little project i'm starting up with my EJ2 and I have a hard time figuring out which is better to come first wheels or springs.

I have decided to go springs over a full coilover due to budget and I dont really plan on changing height afterwards and I also don't hit tracks. That being said which would be better coming first?

The way I see it, lowering the suspension first gives me an idea of wheel sizes I can manage without scrubbing, but at the same time rims/tires offers the same results in a way (atleast how I see it). However, I could be very wrong so I am looking for some input on the better way to go about it.

Again, keep in mind I am not getting full coilovers, I would consider coilover sleeves that fit over the strut but as previously stated i'm not really looking to constantly change ride height all the time. It's basically going to be a one and done type deal. Inputs would be greatly appreciated!
Old Oct 6, 2014 | 01:03 AM
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Which is more worn out, tires or suspension?
Old Oct 6, 2014 | 06:43 AM
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Both are in decent shape, but im talking rims and tires not just tires. I'm trying to figure which way would be the best way to get a stance started.
Old Oct 6, 2014 | 07:18 AM
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Old Oct 6, 2014 | 07:18 AM
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Get Both..
Old Oct 6, 2014 | 07:31 AM
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Get Both..
agreed..but if money is an issue, I'd grab the $100 set of springs first then get the wheels.
Old Oct 6, 2014 | 11:30 AM
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Would be easier if we knew OP's budget.

Mine is in the trillions. No big deal.
Old Oct 6, 2014 | 02:10 PM
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from experience in my trans am, springs/shocks/struts/whatever made a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference. I put vette wheels on and I just got wider tires which was sweet but i noticed a BIGGER difference from springs/shocks
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Well, my budget only allows for one at a time, and i'm just worried if I get springs ill have to just take guesses on wheel/tire sizes. I'm very unfamiliar with this kinda stuff as it is my first go.

From what I am gathering the springs i'm planning on getting lower 1.5 - 1.75 im guessing the 1.75 is after they kinda break in over time. Not sure. However, the issue is knowing what tires to go with. If I have to chose 1.5 or 1.75 which is a better option?

Keep in mind i'm most likely getting 15X7wheels, seems common enough and im not big on bigger size wheels, hell, i'm rocking 13's at the moment, steelies.. but 13's either way

Also, I am not the fan of the "slammed" scene. I am more so into the flush look. Deleted wheel gap but not so over the top that negative camber makes my wheels look broken

So from this information hopefully I can get some guidance with a tire size for 15X7 or maybe a slightly different recommendation based on the ride height adjustment soon to come. I also may consider 16's but 15's prefered.

Thanks guys.
Old Oct 6, 2014 | 06:42 PM
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CCW's over errrthang yo


lets B-serious here tho, suspension first or else you'll be at stock hight or bounching around on these ebay special "coils", don't cheap out on tires like I see soooo many ppl do.
Old Oct 6, 2014 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by B_Swapped93
CCW's over errrthang yo


lets B-serious here tho, suspension first or else you'll be at stock hight or bounching around on these ebay special "coils", don't cheap out on tires like I see soooo many ppl do.
Thats another issue im going to have is picking a tire size, do you think 1.5 is enough to be flush? It seems my fender gap is more prominent in the front and the back is slightly lower, could be my worn out springs showing. Also if you could recommend a tire that would go well with a 1.5 lowering (if thats enough) to go over 15X7s
Old Oct 6, 2014 | 09:58 PM
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you need to read this 1st

Building your Dream Car 101 - Honda-Tech
Old Oct 6, 2014 | 11:29 PM
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That was a fantastic read. Thanks for sharing, I have already made a list of things I want to do with my car, granted not an interior list nor a 100% complete list, but as far as budget and small things (considering its just gonna be a mild modded DD) as the thread you linked calls it but I still got something out of it. Thanks again. Eventually i'm going to do a B-Swap but suspension work is a no brainer to get out of the way, atleast in my opinion
Old Oct 7, 2014 | 03:50 AM
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OK..........so why are you asking us what should you do first if its a no brainer to you?
Old Oct 7, 2014 | 03:59 AM
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Default Re: Which first? Wheels or Suspension!?

Civics of your vintage need to be lowered about 2.5-3" with stock sized tires before you remove all wheel gap. This is too low for stock length shocks.

A good riding spring lowers the car about 1-2" maximum. Some suggestions would be eibach pro kits, h&r sports, or Tein S techs with koni STRT shocks.

That's about $450-550, last I checked.

They'll work fine with 15x7 +40 or so. I'd use 205/50/15's. But you can also use the stock 195/55/15.

16x7 +40 with 215/45/16 or 205/45/16 should be fine also.

If you buy the wheels/tires first, the car will look funny until you lower it.
Old Oct 7, 2014 | 08:50 AM
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Civics of your vintage need to be lowered about 2.5-3" with stock sized tires before you remove all wheel gap. This is too low for stock length shocks.

A good riding spring lowers the car about 1-2" maximum. Some suggestions would be eibach pro kits, h&r sports, or Tein S techs with koni STRT shocks.

That's about $450-550, last I checked.

They'll work fine with 15x7 +40 or so. I'd use 205/50/15's. But you can also use the stock 195/55/15.

16x7 +40 with 215/45/16 or 205/45/16 should be fine also.

If you buy the wheels/tires first, the car will look funny until you lower it.
Thanks for the info!
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Suspension, but don't just slap on some lowering springs on stock stocks; invest the money and get both. Better to do both then put on lowering springs then have to break down the assembly two months later to replace the spent stock shocks. Save yourself some labor.
Old Oct 8, 2014 | 04:56 PM
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So, mods...how is this even remotely a tech-worthy thread?
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Thats what I'm saying....
Old Oct 8, 2014 | 07:17 PM
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yea true. its been answered.. IDK even know where I would move it to. So its closed
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