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Injectors not firing, ecu not sending signal HELP PLEASE

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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 04:41 PM
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I've tried everything I can think of and more. Just put my setup in my car, ls vtec turbo with precision 1000cc injectors with inline resistors. Running a p06 ecu converted to vtec with a basemap. Car was running but ran like ****. Started up, and went completely lean. After it was shut off it wouldn't start up again. Now it won't start whatsoever. I did do some welding on it but nothing major. I'm getting constant power to each injector via the yellow and black wire. The ecu isn't sending an injector pulse to my injectors as I've checked them all right at the harness where it plugs into the ecu while cranking. Things I've checked/changed at least once or twice:
Thermostat ground
Main relay
Ecu
Distributer
Fuse 24 and 31
Injector
Constant power to main relay and ecu
I am completely stumped, searched for two days now been over the while thing several times and can't seem to figure out what's wrong. Whatever tells the ecu to sent the pulse to the injectors or not to send the pulse has to be my problem. No knock sensor, no o2 except wideband, not running a ckf cause it's a obd1 ecu. Car is a 99 civic Canadian si(d16y8 factory). My daily driver and Im lost. Any help would be muchly appreciated
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 04:43 PM
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Default Re: Injectors not firing, ecu not sending signal HELP PLEASE

Also, when I did have it running, the tach wasn't working, and when I try to start it sometimes the spedometer jumps around
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 05:28 PM
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More information is needed.

CEL codes? Fuel pump prime? Spark at all plugs?
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 05:33 PM
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The ECU doesn't "send a pulse", it completes the circuit on the ground wire to allow the injector to pulse. You may have fried your injector drivers. Have you tried a known working ECU?
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:16 PM
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No cel's, fuel pump working fine, tons of spark. Swapped a good ecu with my chip into my car and the same thing happened.
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:18 PM
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Does the CEL work?
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:20 PM
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Yes it does. Lights up when key is in on position
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:22 PM
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Turn key off and unplug ECU connector A. Use a multimeter to test for continuity to body ground at pins A23 and A24.
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:22 PM
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Can you swap an ecu with out any type of modifications done to it? Take one from a known good running car and plug it in. Remove the rail and injectors as one unit and place a piece of rag/cardboard/paper towel underneath to collect any sprayed fuel. Crank the engine and inspect the spray pattern.
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:23 PM
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If those are the yellow/black wires the are one on too of the other in an obd2b harness, checked both to body ground. Getting tons of power
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:25 PM
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Injectors are precision 1000 peak and hold injectors. A regular ecu wouldn't make them spray would it?
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Turn key off and unplug ECU connector A. Use a multimeter to test for continuity to body ground at pins A23 and A24.
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:29 PM
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These are obd2b pins? What will this tell me?
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:31 PM
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These are obd2b pins? What will this tell me?
You have an OBD1 ECU so I posted the OBD1 pins. If those two pins are not grounded, the injectors won't work.
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:33 PM
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Injectors are precision 1000 peak and hold injectors.
Low or high impedance?

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f75/...ectors-530477/
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:47 PM
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Low. And you were right to check those pins. I put my multimeter on ohms and it isn't showing me anything at either of those pins
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Peak/hold = low.
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NotARacist
Peak/hold = low.
Okay, I'm dumb.
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:54 PM
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Low. And you were right to check those pins. I put my multimeter on ohms and it isn't showing me anything at either of those pins
Touching one meter probe to A23 or A24 and the other meter probe to the metal frame under the dash?
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:56 PM
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Yep, that's exactly what I did
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 06:59 PM
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Yep, that's exactly what I did
Are you sure you tested pins A23 and A24? If so, try grounding both pins to the metal frame under the dash and then check whether she fires up.
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Okay, I'm dumb.
It's all good, really easy mistake to make. Gotta love it when people have two different names for the same thing.
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 07:23 PM
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That's the problem! My tach works now too. How do I pinpoint this bad boy?
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If you can't locate the wire break or problem, then run new wires from pins A23 and A24 to the G101 ground located on the thermostat housing.
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 08:03 PM
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so both wires run straight to the thermostat housing? would it hurt to ground them in a better place?
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