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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:00 PM
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What should have been a 30 minute project--replacing the right CV axle--turned into a two hour ordeal. The spindle nut was frozen. Tried putting my entire 170 lb weight onto a breaker bar. Nothin'. Tried PB Blaster. Torch. Jacking up on the breaker bar. Torch. PB Blaster. Breaker bar with a 4' pipe extension. Finally busted the heck out of my Kobalt 18" breaker bar.
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:05 PM
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damn that had to be a shock....hopefully ya didnt get any shards in ya.
so real question is what ya gonna do next?
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:06 PM
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I broke out my arsenal of tools: air chisel, cold chisel, sledge hammer, and grinder and went to town. I ground off about half the nut, then used the cold chisel and hammer to chip away at the remaining, counter clockwise, of course.

After about thirty minutes of hammering, it finally broke free.
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:08 PM
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Did you raise the locking tab on the spindle nut?

Never mind. Saw the pics. Must have been seized.

I hope they don't hassle you for the core charge.
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:09 PM
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no tech here. go to gdd
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:10 PM
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Here's what's left of the SOB! Thirty minutes later, the job was complete.

You really should be able to replace both CV axles in about an hour, but Murphy's law dictates that there will be that one frozen nut that makes you want to set your hair on fire.
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:11 PM
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no tech here. go to gdd
What?
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:13 PM
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Did you raise the locking tab on the spindle nut?

Never mind. Saw the pics. Must have been seized.

I hope they don't hassle you for the core charge.
No core charge on my CV axles.
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:14 PM
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What?
Googling "gdd" right now.

Oh, Gnathodiaphyseal Dysplasia.
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:17 PM
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GDD = General Discussion and Debate forum (generally a more wild-west atmosphere than tech forums)

https://honda-tech.com/forums/general-discussion-debate-40/
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:19 PM
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No core charge on my CV axles.
Because you purchased new ones?

Also plan to replace the axle seals to avoid potential leaks?
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:20 PM
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Googling "gdd" right now.

Oh, Gnathodiaphyseal Dysplasia.
That does not sound good.
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:27 PM
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Gnathodiaphyseal dysplasia (GDD) is an autosomal dominant generalized skeletal syndrome characterized by cementoosseous lesions of the jawbones, in conjunction with bone fragility, bowing/cortical thickening of tubular bones, and diaphyseal sclerosis of long bones.

These are cementoosseous lesions.

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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 08:31 PM
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We need an arrow pointing to a lesion. I'm pretty sure I see some bottom front teeth. Are the two holes at the bottom/base/root of the teeth the lesions?
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 09:11 PM
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Yes, the holes at the bottom of the teeth are the lesions. Basically, they're chunks of dead, diseased, dying, and/or destroyed holes in the bone.
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 09:55 PM
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How did I stumble into web.md
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 10:39 PM
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This is so tech. I learned what GDD is. Both of them
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to anyone with this problem in the future, use a thinner cutoff wheel on a grinder. cut an "x" into the nut/axle end. comes right off.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by eghatch9295
to anyone with this problem in the future, use a thinner cutoff wheel on a grinder. cut an "x" into the nut/axle end. comes right off.
That would have been easier, maybe. All I had was the large grinder and 3" wheel, and the grinder body bottomed out before the wheel did. Die grinder for my tool chest soon?
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 11:25 AM
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What should have been a 30 minute project--replacing the right CV axle--turned into a two hour ordeal. The spindle nut was frozen. Tried putting my entire 170 lb weight onto a breaker bar. Nothin'. Tried PB Blaster. Torch. Jacking up on the breaker bar. Torch. PB Blaster. Breaker bar with a 4' pipe extension. Finally busted the heck out of my Kobalt 18" breaker bar.
Is that your blood on the ground?

Drive it to a shop and whave them impact it off. If you can get an impact gun, go to a tire shop and have a tech throw you an air line out the back door and give it a what fer.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 11:26 AM
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Was that a 3/8th's inch breaker bar?
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 02:55 PM
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Is that your blood on the ground?

Drive it to a shop and whave them impact it off. If you can get an impact gun, go to a tire shop and have a tech throw you an air line out the back door and give it a what fer.
No, that's red Locktite. Only got one little scratch on my arm during the entire job, and no busted knuckles!

I have a torque wrench that advertises 450 ft-lbs of torque hooked up to a compressor that's taller than I am, and it didn't budge it at all. Just checked Amazon. Ingersoll-Rand makes one that has 780 ft-lbs of torque. Guess that's what the pros use.

I made my 16 year old son help me with the CV axles, and I think he really got into being a gearhead. He was very eager and got a kick out of using the air impact wrench. BRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTT!

Next weekend, father-son timing belt/water pump job.

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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by OptimisticWay
Was that a 3/8th's inch breaker bar?
No. Half-inch. I'm going to try to get a warranty replacement at Lowes, but I won't tell them that I put a 4' extension on it. The breaker bar and pipe were bent like a longbow when it broke.

No injuries, although my son was sitting opposite me when I said, "I think it may be wise to move."
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