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Old Jun 29, 2014 | 08:57 PM
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Default 94 civic ex 1.6L stock 5spd tranny - clutch flywheel bolt issue

When I pulled my original engine from my car to do a replacement I noticed some wear on the flywheel bolts where the clutch springs have been cutting them down.
With this new engine, same kind, d16z6, I'm noticing the same chattering noise as before between the clutch and flywheel.
The bolts, flywheel, clutch, etc. are all oem.

I'm clueless as to why the springs on the clutch plate would be rubbing the flywheel bolts down.

It only happens when the car is in gear and revved past about 2k rpm. It's loudest in 2nd and 3rd gear.

Any reasons why this would happen, or solutions to fix it?
Thanks in advance.
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 01:26 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex 1.6L stock 5spd tranny - clutch flywheel bolt issue

Is it an aftermarket clutch? Did you torque the flywheel bolts all down to the correct spec? Did you re-use the old bolts or buy new ones?
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 04:57 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex 1.6L stock 5spd tranny - clutch flywheel bolt issue

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The bolts, flywheel, clutch, etc. are all oem.
^Details?

Details about clutch/flywheel installation?
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 06:52 AM
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Default 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

I have a 1.6L d16z6 engine with the original transmission in the car.
When I pulled my original engine to do an exchange I noticed that the flywheel bolts had been grinded against by the springs on the clutch plate.
I thought, hmm maybe it's just that flywheel on that engine.
But after dropping in this new engine I have noticed the same issue.
The flywheel, bolts, transmission, and clutch kit are all oem.

Is there something wrong with my transmission, do I need a thicker flywheel, or shaved flywheel bolts?

Any reason as to why this happens or any solutions to fix it?

The grinding is the loudest in 2nd and 3rd gear at around 2-3+k rpm.
When not engaged and reving the engine i don't hear it at all, just when the clutch is engaged and in gear.

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Old Jun 30, 2014 | 07:09 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Only one thread per topic is allowed.

Start answering questions. Otherwise, this is just a guessing game that will go nowhere.
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 07:23 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Only one thread per topic is allowed.

Start answering questions. Otherwise, this is just a guessing game that will go nowhere.
I posted this last night, but didn't show up on my profile when I checked this morning, so I tried to repost and I see what happened.

Anyway, I got a different block, it came with the same flywheel that was on the engine I pulled from my car.
All bolts are torqued down.
The clutch came from AutoZone, duralast, durabuilt, I don't remember, it's whoever they sell.

Nothing here is aftermarket.
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 07:23 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex 1.6L stock 5spd tranny - clutch flywheel bolt issue

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Is it an aftermarket clutch? Did you torque the flywheel bolts all down to the correct spec? Did you re-use the old bolts or buy new ones?
They're new bolts my friend.
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 07:57 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Originally Posted by Singlebangin94
I got a different block, it came with the same flywheel that was on the engine I pulled from my car.
Details.

What block?

What transmission?

All bolts are torqued down.
What torque?

The clutch came from AutoZone, duralast, durabuilt, I don't remember, it's whoever they sell.

Nothing here is aftermarket.
It's all aftermarket.

Details. Which specific clutch from AutoZone did you purchase?

Stop forcing members to play the guessing game.
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 08:25 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Details.

What block?

What transmission?


What torque?



It's all aftermarket.

Details. Which specifi. c clutch from AutoZone did you purchase?

Stop forcing members to play the guessing game.
Look. It is a D16Z6 block. Y4F S20 transmission. New flywheel bolts. Torqued at 76ft/lbs. Resurfaced oem flywheel. Duralast clutch kit part # NU31182-1

Nothing aftermarket as in performance category!
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 08:56 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Why must you be prompted for all details?

How do you know the flywheel is OEM?

What was the flywheel runout? Was it within spec?

Did you replace the pilot bearing?

Did you check the pressure plate surface for warpage?

Did you use an alignment tool for installation.

etc.

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Old Jun 30, 2014 | 10:26 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Why must you be prompted for all details?

How do you know the flywheel is OEM?

What was the flywheel runout? Was it within spec?

Did you replace the pilot bearing?

Did you check the pressure plate surface for warpage?

Did you use an alignment tool for installation.

etc.
Alignment tool was used, it is a new flywheel from Honda.
The pressure plate was new.
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 10:48 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Does it take a crowbar to pry all the details from you? Did you create a thread to solve a problem or to have people throw out wild guesses because you are too busy to provide all relevant information?

If the flywheel were new, then why did you resurface it?

Might the pressure plate have been bad right out of the box?

Answers to other questions?
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 11:09 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

You're gonna have to take some pics of this flywheel/clutch combo. I have a feeling you're installing the clutch improperly.

edit: Requesting pics of flywheel, flywheel bolts, clutch, and how the clutch was seated up against the flywheel. I'm not going any further than that.
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 01:22 PM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Something is seriously fucked up with how you installed everything. Take pictures. Lots and lots of pictures. You probably installed the clutch disc upside down.
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 04:28 PM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Got ahead of myself from being frustrated. It doesn't affect my driving, I just wanted to know why it could be happening.

The clutch is put on with the plate facing toward the flywheel on the side that says "flywheel side".

I resurfaced my old flywheel to use, when all together it made the noise, so I went and bought a new flywheel from Honda. The noise still continued.

The bolts were tightened down to 76ft/lbs in a cross pattern.

Pilot bearing>flywheel>clutch disk>throw out bearing
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 04:31 PM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Does it take a crowbar to pry all the details from you? Did you create a thread to solve a problem or to have people throw out wild guesses because you are too busy to provide all relevant information?

If the flywheel were new, then why did you resurface it?

Might the pressure plate have been bad right out of the box?

Answers to other questions?
I gave the info to begin with to help someone point me in a direction. If they needed other information to help me, I would gladly give them that information. I dont like your attitude you have here.
And no, it does not take a pry bar to get info from me. It would be the admin thing to do by asking nicely, not being a jerk.
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 04:33 PM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Originally Posted by NotARacist
Take pictures. Lots and lots of pictures.
Since you missed it the first time around. Also, you didn't mention your pressure plate there. Please tell me you didn't cram the throwout bearing between the clutch disc and pressure plate.

If you aren't going to post pictures, there's a good chance this will be the last bit of help you're going to get around here. Having to continually drag information out of you is getting really tiring for a number of us.
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Singlebangin94
I gave the info to begin with to help someone point me in a direction. If they needed other information to help me, I would gladly give them that information. I dont like your attitude you have here.
And no, it does not take a pry bar to get info from me. It would be the admin thing to do by asking nicely, not being a jerk.
You failed to read the forum Rules sticky and to take them to heart.

You don't like what I've told you because you failed at following rules and understanding your responsibility when creating a tech thread.

Your arrogance will prevent you from finding a solution. Who will this hurt? You have cut off your nose to spite your face.

Can you turn it around or will you continue to make it worse?

My patience with you is wearing thin.
Old Jun 30, 2014 | 04:59 PM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Originally Posted by tony_2018
You're gonna have to take some pics of this flywheel/clutch combo. I have a feeling you're installing the clutch improperly.

edit: Requesting pics of flywheel, flywheel bolts, clutch, and how the clutch was seated up against the flywheel. I'm not going any further than that.
So where are you with my request? Do you not want help?
Old Jul 4, 2014 | 08:39 AM
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Default Re: 94 civic ex clutch to flywheel chatter

Originally Posted by tony_2018
So where are you with my request? Do you not want help?
If my car was apart I would take pics. If the problem continues in the future when I do a future clutch replacement I'll post everything i do.
But since it is my DD I don't have the time to just rip the trans and take pics.
It doesn't affect any driving. Engages perfect, doesn't slip or grind or anything. Works just fine.

Was just curious as to why the springs would come in contact with any part of the flywheel other than where it's supposed to.

Thanks anyways.
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