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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 02:58 PM
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Hello, i have a big problem in my dog box when i want to burnout in third gear, when i release the clutch the gear disengage for neutral positon, i have solid mount hasport and gforce shifter, anybody have the same problem? Do i need to put more mounts for engine dont move or only with the 3 mount the engine normaly dont move?

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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 04:19 PM
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you also need the 2 torque mounts, the 3 main mounts are not enough for drag race cars, I am constantly trying to convince my friends of this, it maybe ok for normal driving but not for drag racing. With that said, I have the same setup but haven't driven the car yet, but my mount setup is Innovative solid mounts, and single 1/4 thick plate from the flywheel inspection cover holes to the traction bar, I dare that motor to move. lol.
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rudebwoy
you also need the 2 torque mounts, the 3 main mounts are not enough for drag race cars, I am constantly trying to convince my friends of this, it maybe ok for normal driving but not for drag racing. With that said, I have the same setup but haven't driven the car yet, but my mount setup is Innovative solid mounts, and single 1/4 thick plate from the flywheel inspection cover holes to the traction bar, I dare that motor to move. lol.
Did you just weld the plate to the traction bar or is it removable in some way.
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 04:44 PM
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it is removeable, this one was custom made, but CCC sells them also.
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 04:45 PM
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it forks over the traction bar. We cut out a plate to connect the trans/engine to the trac bar and the rear subframe and its been solid so far. It still moves a little bit i think but not enough to pull out of gear. These cars just can't be rock solid. Usually its 2nd and 4th that falls out since the engine torques backward and the lever cant go towards the rear of the car any more.
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 04:51 PM
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This is what you need..
It is a MAKK Performance TQ Brace, it is basically a brace that connects to your subframe and than another brace with a heim that connects to that and your trans and t bracket to make it absolutely hard for the T1 shifter to flex or pop out of gear.



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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 06:32 PM
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I have a d series and some scrap metal, i can make something work lol
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 07:04 PM
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Why not just let the shifter float with the motor the way the factory engineered it. That's essentially how every longitudinal rwd setup in the world is. The shifter is part of the transmission, not the chassis.
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 07:07 PM
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Did u get the Makk brace to work with the scatter shield?
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 03:15 AM
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Did u get the Makk brace to work with the scatter shield?
Yes, it works with the shield. I love my MAKK brace. Best protection for the transmission other than the Speed Factory SCHA.
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 04:24 AM
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Awesome, thanks
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by efHondefender
Why not just let the shifter float with the motor the way the factory engineered it. That's essentially how every longitudinal rwd setup in the world is. The shifter is part of the transmission, not the chassis.
I wish I could explain this clearly, but I'm going to be lazy and direct you to the T1 site where it tells you why it will not work like the factory shifter and it makes perfect sense.

This setup requires 100% solid motor mounts for it to work right. Since there is no longer a stabilizer bar on the shift linkage, the engine can not move or it will try to pull the shifter out of gear. We offer Avid s solid mount kit for the EG/DC chassis if you need them. The fact that everything has to be 100% on the length of the shift linkage, since there's no stabilizer bar, means that we cannot complete the linkage 100% before shipping.
T1 race parts.
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 05:59 AM
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Yes, it works with the shield. I love my MAKK brace. Best protection for the transmission other than the Speed Factory SCHA.
the MAKK kit seems to be a race car only part, it does not appear to allow an exhaust system. wrong or right?
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rudebwoy
I wish I could explain this clearly, but I'm going to be lazy and direct you to the T1 site where it tells you why it will not work like the factory shifter and it makes perfect sense.


T1 race parts.
I understand that. That's the problem. Flawed design in my opinion. If I had a gforce shifter, instead of bolting it to the floor pan, I'd try to figure out how to mount it to a bracket that floated in bushings that was linkaged up to the transmission. Just like how factory linkage is. The only time that a shifter is ever bolted to the chassis is if it has cable linkage. Could you imagine if a RWD shifter was bolted to the tunnel and then had a solid rod going into the tail housing? Worst idea ever.
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 06:08 AM
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It's either that, or you can weld a bunch of stuff everywhere and try to get everything as solid as possible.
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rudebwoy
the MAKK kit seems to be a race car only part, it does not appear to allow an exhaust system. wrong or right?
Depending on the exhaust it may not work. It mounts to the engine side of the transmission. It hugs close, but if you have a 4" downpipe it may have clearance issues.
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rudebwoy
the MAKK kit seems to be a race car only part, it does not appear to allow an exhaust system. wrong or right?
You can have an exhaust system, I have a 3 inch down pipe and it clears no problem. I am not 100% sure of a 4 inch because I don't have one but I am sure with modifications it can work.
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 07:40 AM
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I just went outside to do a double check, you can no problem get a down pipe to fit BUT once you go back to the brace you would have to stop OR somehow fabricate the exhaust to route under the brace.

See the picture below, the brace basically blocks the exhaust tunnel so you would have to go under that.

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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 09:23 AM
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The t1 shifter works flawless once setup right
I'll never go back to stock lol
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jdm inc
The t1 shifter works flawless once setup right
I'll never go back to stock lol
Correct. Even without the Makk Brace I never had an issue with my t1 shifter popping out of gear.
Now that I have the Makk Brace I shouldn't have to ever worry about flex and it popping out.
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SPOOLINmatt
it forks over the traction bar. We cut out a plate to connect the trans/engine to the trac bar and the rear subframe and its been solid so far. It still moves a little bit i think but not enough to pull out of gear. These cars just can't be rock solid. Usually its 2nd and 4th that falls out since the engine torques backward and the lever cant go towards the rear of the car any more.
Wtb!
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