So I have the bushing, D bracket and my 22mm itr rear sway bar, I'm doing research and everyone is talking about this BSQ kit, I saw couple links, dead ends, then read that he doesn't make it anymore...my question is why can't I just take the old D bracket off, and sway bar, and just put the itr one on??

 

The problem is that the factory sway bar bolts directly to the subframe without so much as a backing nut. A gsr sway bar is fine but an itr sway bar will literally tear itself out of the subframe. Itr subframes are reinforced for this. All other subframes need a backing plate installed to prevent tearout. BSQ kits were cheap and effective, but ASR braces also work. IIRC another company makes a BSQ copy. Maybe Beaks (not to be confused with a Beaks tie bar which does nothing to prevent tearout.).

 

Save up and get an ASR

 

Why does yours look all torn up?^^

 

You have any link the only one I found comes with the whole kit...

 

No but judging from that pic I would go with a full asr brace. I had heard of bsq kits tearing out but never seen photo proof.

That picture shows that the backing plate held but that the sway bar literally tore the subframe in two.

 

Wow that's crazy, now I'm second guessing this whole itr rear sway bar set up

 

That was just a pic I found online of what happens when you dont properly brace your subframe. The bsq kit just doesnt have enough surface area to properly distribute the force of an upgraded sway bar. If you are looking into upgrading to a larger sway bar get a proper brace.

Heres my setup. ASR 24mm sway bar and brace.

 

ITR rear bar and a beaks kit is a bad combo if you have soft spring rates and/or sticky tires and you intend to use the car on the race track or autocross course. So...if you plan to actually use the bar, get a ASR brace.

 

That's the first gen Beaks kit on an EK subframe. That specific pic also the only evidence I've ever seen of one failing. They never had a problem with EG/DC kits, and the EK kit was revised to the second gen:





(Sorry for the blurry pic, it's tough to get good shots under the car)

If you pick through Google images and the parts fiche, you'll see that the ITR didn't use the same standoffs that the lower models used to mount the rear bar. If you use that standoff you will be more likely to tear out as you are creating a moment arm for the bar/bushing assembly to use against the subframe.

FWIW, I got away with that exact setup for many years on a '94 Civic coupe (which already had mounting provisions from the factory, so same as a DC) with ZERO issues. Doesn't mean I'd recommend it or do it again, but it's still data.

I'm also now running the Beaks 2nd gen kit on my '00 Civic Sedan daily beater and it does exactly what it needs to do. I just didn't care to have a big ASR brace bolted across my subframe, for reasons of taste and of remaining low-key in a very theft prone area.

Bottom line is that the above pic is an absolute outlier & doesn't apply to your chassis, so if the Beaks is right for what you want it will be just fine.

 

I see this a lot but...

Why?

Compare stock ITR spring rates to what the bulk of people on this site are running and that argument also goes out the window.

 

Orlando problems, makes me weary of taking my integra there if I ever get a job there and leaving it at home with my parents in west central fl...

That's why I got a black ASR subframe brace and don't bother cleaning it, too bad the sway bar I bought used was painted red, but it isn't noticeable. Thankfully the 98-01 Integra rear bumper sits low enough that it isn't really noticable.

 

That was only part of it really, mostly I just really wanted the car to stay as stock looking as possible.

But yeah, Orlando problems. It's really not that bad unless you live in certain neighborhoods, but mostly if you have security and don't live with your head up your *** you'll be fine. I'm lucky enough to have a garage at night and barbed wire + rfid to get into my work so I don't lose much sleep over it.

 

Not sure what you mean. ITR's have reinforced subframes and wheelhouses.

On a non-ITR, you really should use an ASR brace.

 

I wouldn't trust anything other then the ASR or even better F7 brace if the car is a track only car(not counting about "track days") referring to GTA/SLB. But if you're just driving it on the street/doing some auto x events I'm sure those will work but a 32mm hollow bar would rip the beaks kit in a few runs... I'm sure with a 22/24 you'd be ok tho.

 

Yeah I mean it's my daily driver and I'm trying to circuit, auto x the car this summer.. So ASR brace would be best?

 

Sorry I was talking about the soft springs, big bar part.

 

The asr brace is the no-worry option for sure though lots of people have used BSQ also. Don't let it scare you away from an itr rear sway. IMO its the best upgrade money can buy onan integra.