Hey whats up guys im marcos i have a f23a1 im looking to beef it up ofcourse well im having some slight issues i have read a bunch of threads on my engine and i know what type of engine i have ( freaking economy) and im kool with that but i also know the potential that my engine has i also know how difficult it is lol but what this thread is mainly about is about me finding parts as far as chassis goes i have that coverd im more worried about performance parts now that being said i know that my engine is one out of an accord so that has vastly helped especially when looking for parts such as
-headers
-intake
-exhaust (which i might go custom anyways)
-cams and retainers ( Im going bisimoto good quality,reviews and is the only guy i found that makes parts for my engine)
- suspension

now im not intrested in doing a h series swap or a f20b i like the engines i just like mine more ( for sleeper purposes)
now i am having a hard time finding some key things such as
-valves
-intake manifold
-and aftermarket ecu support
if some one can point me out to the right direction i would really appreciate it thanks again!

 

You would get better help in the right direction if you could state what you want to do exactly.

Anything beyond a CAI/Short Ram, header, and exhaust upgrade will require retuning of the PCM. Since these years of PCM cannot be reflashed and have to be chipped, it gets pricey. Easiest way to retune would be to backdate to an OBDI ECU and install a piggyback type system(Hondata, etc) or replace with a stand-alone(AEM, Motec, etc).

IMO, if you plan on keeping the F23 SOHC and transmission(gearing), I think a turbo will give you more overall power.

 

[QUOTE=MAD_MIKE;49728118]You would get better help in the right direction if you could state what you want to do exactly.

well im trying to go all engine i wanna get atleast 230 im planning on building the head and also go spray if possible

 

So a mild turbo setup. have you considered this?

I've seen guys who do know how to find parts for their cars be applauded for making 180whp with an all-motor F23. keep researching.

 

yes i have considered it but for i just wanna be alittle diffrent and run normally aspirated i was thinking abount machineing the head and putting a bigger cam i/h/e and maybe down the road a nitrous set up
one of my major concerns is tuneing the car im obd2 and i dont think i can tune mine unless i convert to obd1

 

You could do k20 pistons and stock rod and do the head anf bolt on you could make 190 to the wheels. Or more and get a jumper harness for the ecu

 

you're going to need some citation, some evidence or reference to an actual build where this was accomplished.

I'm extremely skeptical that 11:1~12:1 compression and some head work with bolt-ons, without a tuning solution would net 190whp.

 

The F23A1 is rated at 150hp stock, right? That is with 9.3:1 compression. The JDM F23A has 9.8:1. According to the conversion I found, it is rated at 157 hp. I bring all this up to ask a question...is there really not 30 hp available to be freed up on the F23A1? A half point compression bump is worth 7 hp. I admit I am not super well versed in Honda tuning and such, but is the stock components on the F23A1 that well designed that the aftermarket can't improve? I know the VTech is something of a dog on the motor, and doesn't provide a big power boost...Just kind of throwing things out there...

 

if you want those extra hp get the f23a jdm ecu

 

hondamark35 is right. You will struggle to find that much power without wicked compression. Bisi has done it, but you wont find any part of his F motor that looks like yours. The fuel they're running is a world of difference as well as the fact that the stock ecu won't support much rise in compression ratio's. You might want to look at doing a nice low key turbo build. Many of us have and are doing it now if you need further advice. The stock valves, assuming they're new and fresh will support upwards of 500hp according to bisi. Save yourself some money where you can. They even stopped selling their stainless valves bc they werent necessary

 

Don't forget that 99% of the posted Hp ratings are crank horse power not wheel HP. So if you want to put 200+ N/A hp to the wheels, you are going to have to tear into the engine and increase compression and do some work on the valve train (camshaft). Not to mention an intake manifold and exhaust system that will help the engine breath3.

A stand alone engine management would be beneficial for tying all of these parts together to make optimum power. A chipped and tuned OBD1 ECU with a conversion harnesses will work as well.

 

I have a JDM ecu, but I have read about issues trying to use those in the 94-97 cars. I think even the JDM units have the immobilizer circuit in them and won't let the car start. Not 100% on that...now for the OP, that might be a good option.

 

these are all great ideas i have been doing some research and i have been comming up with the same conclusion i like the idea of the k20 pistons i was also thinking about mating it with a stage 3 bisi cam and 100 shot of nitrious

 

You can also use an h22 head on the f23 block, there's enough information on the internet to figure out how to do it right. Great torque and enough power to keep up with, if not pull on a stock K20. I considered it myself for a while before going with a stock H series

 

bairdandrew77 so true i like the way you think nd i would have to agree the only thing really stoping this enigine is aftermarket support....yes it takes more work than most engines but defenetly worth it

 

Aftermarket rods, pistons, camshafts, and valves are all available for these engines.... What other support are you looking for? You gotta pay to play!

 

@ghostaccord hey im down to pay and play i just gott know were to purchase the parts....were can i get pistons rods and cams....the only cams ive seen are bisi cams