Hey,

The steering rack, the top plates over and over again, the battery...twice, the idler pulley...twice, the passenger motor mount, the clutch, the AC compressor, the AC clutch, the top plates (!), the horrible paint. And more.

How soon will all of this happen again ?

All withing 70k miles. On 3 different Honda Civic Si cars. All bought new for over 30 grand.

How can we still think these cars are reliable ? How good will they be in time ? Subaru-status, yes, I said it. The K20 may (may) not blow, but until it does, the rest is pretty crappy.

They're sub-par cars. Can we start acknowledging it ?

We won't talk about the positives here. Sure there are plenty. So does the competition.

I thought the 01-05 era was over. The 06-10 Si are up there, as the worst Honda Civic ever.

At least they're still worth something used...but I will never get another one, ever.

 

I am with you through and through 100%. Too many nut riders around here. Every time I say my honest evaluation too many people come in with the pitch forks.

My 2013 Si had multiple rocker arm failure at 5,500 miles. I have had the common VTC issue since day one. I have brought it back to the dealer and paid the $75 charge more than I would like to admit. With around 10k dealer maintained miles it is the noisiest stock Honda engine I have ever had. It runs very rough and dealer denies any valves are bent.

I have said it once and I will say it again - this car has ruined Hondas for me. I am completely done after I sell the Si and get tired of my CRV. If you can't rely on a new car then may as well know the ins and out of an old reliable POS. I am keeping the low miles on mine so some sucker will buy it quick. Can't wait till later this year or early next year (waiting for the deals to come around again).

Only thing I have to comment on is I am not sure how / why you paid so much for all of yours out the door to begin with.

 

My Si hasn't had any issues with it since day one!

 

Neither has mine. I have 84k Kms on it now. Regular maintenance and not too often at the wide open half of the throttle.

 

Got any links to info on the VTC issue? I haven't heard of it.

Some cars have issues, some don't. That's what the warranty is for. I sold my '08 Si at 55k back in '11, only issue it had in that time was the idler pulley made noise and had to be replaced. Not a big deal. It was such an awesome car that I bought another one.

 

So the issues described here are between 3 different cars? I bet you'd have even more issues if you took into account 10 or 20 cars .

No car is perfect. "The competition" also has well-known issues.

 

Over 91k on my 07 si and the only issue was the well known 3rd gear issue. Honda fixed it and I've been good since. Just regular maintenance for me.

 

No, they should stop cheaping out on cars so bad. A warranty should be there for insurance policy only for customers to have good faith that the product is trustworthy. Not to rely on when a manufacturer doesn't feel like putting time or spending money to do the project right the first time around. Does the 2012 Civic ring a bell? Too soon? Or have you already forgotten that Honda admitted that they figured their customers would go for cheap looking ****?

One of many links to the VTC issue. Search YouTube for the videos on what it sounds like:

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...1871&styleid=2

Dealer claims since there isn't a TSB that it "must not be common enough, YET"... as he put it. Got Faith? Even the service writer agreed they are seeing a lot more repairs on lower mileage cars.

 

Complains Honda ripped him off then says he will do the same. Can't assplain dat.

 

All of 3 cars had all of the stated issues.

 

In the end no matter how much you complain or post or whatever, you're the minority. You're the vocal minority but still the minority. You had some problems with your car, it happens. I have a buddy who owned a brand new 00 si he bought with 0 miles that got lemeoned it had so many issues. People think that car was the greatest ever and yet sometimes even it had issues. I'd be willing to bet Hondas today have no more or less problems than they've ever had, but now it's easier to log in and complain and find others dealing with similar issues. We have no idea how well you maintained the car or if you beat the dog **** out of it. The same goes for the other cars you mentioned. Anytime something is mass produced some are going to have issues. Call me a honda nut rider or whatever the cool people say, all I know is how well all the newer gen Hondas have served the people in my family. Including the aforementioned 07 si I daily, i maintain and has been reliable as any older honda I've owned. I really didn't feel like typing all this but these threads are dumb. If every owner who never had any issues posted how he's had no issues this entire site would be consumed with it.

/rant

 

Not really. Dealer says it's fine and I have paperwork to prove it. So like I said, some sucker meaning someone that is into new Hondas. I am getting a vibe you might be interested - amirite? PM me for details since it is an awesome car and all.

So what you are saying in your rant is you would be totally cool with buying a new car as a RELIABLE car to put your family in and then get phone a call that the car broke down with engine problems with 5,500 miles on the side of a very busy road? Very interesting indeed. Given, the car hasn't burst into flames (yet) or something of that nature, and I understand **** happens, but that doesn't mean I have to be remotely interested in buying another or being loyal anymore.

All manufacturers have issues. Some more common than others, but why pay a premium for a product when I can buy a much cheaper model with the same features and reliability? At this stage in the game there are too many competitors to be putting out inferior products. The shame goes to any manufacturer that would rather pump out trash than actually develop it. I am not asking for anything for free, just a trustworthy car that I paid for. It has been in the shop more than anything I have ever owned new or used.

 

No. What I'm saying is we all did buy reliable cars, some just have issues. Any car you list as a better option has certainly had threads on forums made about it having issues by owners. This isn't just Honda, understand now?

 

the truth of the matter is...... go buy a different car and see if u have issues. try a ford or chevy LOL. a/c delco anyone? or better yet go try a mercedes. $2-3000 each dealer visit LMFAO. but on the good side bosch oem parts are cheap.

im new to honda but ive been around the block a few times..... LMAO

edit: dont be afraid to call the corporate office if the dealer wont man-up

 

Did you read what I typed or are you just very thick? I said all manufacturers have issues - some more than others. Understand now? Have fun in your world of bliss.

 

Yes, we read that:

While you drew the short straw on multiple occasions (so you say), on average you are still in the minority. People with "cheaper" Fords, GM's, Hyundais, etc. still experience more problems and they take a bath when it comes to resale.

Have fun in your world of bliss with your "cheaper" car. Maybe you'll get lucky next time.

Note that I don't disagree that newer Hondas aren't what they once used to be, but I don't really put that blame all on Honda--some of it I put on the "market" trying to get the most for their money and throwing reliability and resale aside...which has unfortunately changed Honda corporate culture. Their engineers *want* to design cool stuff. They just aren't allowed.

 

I have to agree with the "majority" here. I have been buying second hand Honda's for a long time, my brother and mother go brand new leases on Acura/Honda and my father buys the cheapest car possible. His most recent was a Suzuki SX4 Crossover. I dont even want to get into the list of issues with this car let alone under 30 mpg for something so small. My mothers Acura TSX had issues and it was fixed under warranty. I have friends that swear by Huyndai/Kia, i dont even want to tell you how many issues they have had as well. Dash pieces falling off, trim fading in a week, etc. etc. Look at Toyota, how many recalls in the last 10 years.
Basically like many before me I am just stating that every car has issues no matter what you buy. Go expensive, be prepared to spend some money for repairs, go too cheap be prepared to take a dive in resale and quality, buy in the middle get a little of both. I have never owned a car that did not have some type of issue. Cars today have so many gadgets and whatever that 100% quality is almost impossible. I will keep buying my Honda's till they day someone like Ford trys to buy them out

 

I am 100% with you, believe it or not. I am only a sample, and the access to information really scew our perception. All true.

All that said, regarding reliablity of 8th gen Si; we're far from 5th and 6th generation Civic. We're far from any Honda Fit. We're far from recent Honda Accord/TSX and CR-V. Hell I even own a non-Si 8th gen that is flawless since 2010.

I don't buy the «performance» card to explain these non-sense i've seen with 8th gen Si. There were some really bad choices made regarding some components (have you taken the time to see how the front top plates were designed ? This is plain non-sense). I think it is sad, cause overall, the car has so much to offer.

The Si are under the average Honda or any other comparable, well-reputed japanese brand from a reliability standpoint. That is all I wanted to point out and it made me accept it more by reading some of your comments, so thank you.

 

not sure about Honda but
Toyota requires a 1/1million part failure rate
Lexus requires a 1/10million part failure rate
this is a requirement to all oem part mfgs (denso, aisin, stanley/kioto etc) Honda uses mostly the same part mfgs

 

I beat the **** out of my 2012 si not one issue ... even did a top of 5th to 4th shift no issue

 

I hope you realize that the more complex a piece of machinery, the more likely it is to have an issue. Airplanes, semiconductor manufacturing tools (worth millions a piece), etc all have warranties, and they all get used. Honda creates what the market wants.

I'll check out the link on the VTC issue, I don't follow the 12+ Civic very closely so it's news to me.

 

Whats not to love?

 

So does the Government and things like NASA say the same thing when they have equipment that costs billions? You guys are getting silly with your logic so I may as well follow suit. Look at past TSBs and see how they have progressively gotten more substantial. Why is this when technology is better than ever? It is because a cheaper car is being made. It may not cost less to purchase but it sure as hell costs less to make. Does the 2012 Civic ring a bell? Cheap everything and sold for just under the same price as next year's "luxury" revamp.

You guys and sit there and say what you want, but I will bet most haven't purchased the platform I am speaking of or even have driven one. I paid my $25k worth and earned my right to speak my mind about my car as I please. You can keep talking about how great everything is all day long, in the end I don't get any PM's offering to buy my Si. Until that happens I have spoken my piece, I will let all of the fanatics sort out the details.

 

the wheels and that front bumper... sorry 2012-13 coupe looked better then the 14

 

Front bumper I'm kinda ok with, but those OEM 18" wheels are rather silly.