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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 06:21 PM
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94 accord wagon. H22 vtec (I think, just bought car) car ran but needed a new starter. Replaced the starter, and the new starter spun it out if time. Retimed the car and now white smoke/backfire from the intake. Car is timed correctly. Honda certified mechanic verified but was clueless to my ordeal. Side note the first few times the key turned to start nothing happens. Works occasionally on 5/6 key turn. Distributor cap is in good condition and rotor button is new. HELP PLEASE!
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 08:56 PM
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The engine code is in the block to the left of the headers. Is this a swap? The timing would not change due to the starter. Any more info?
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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 03:52 AM
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The engine is original to the car. Comp tested and got between 168 and 172. The car also has not thrown a check engine code.
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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 09:12 AM
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HAHAHA H22 ORIGINAL TO THE CAR?
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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 08:40 PM
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Nope. You were right. I was wrong. It's a f22b1 vtec single cam. 94 Ex station wagon.
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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 08:41 PM
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HAHAHA H22 ORIGINAL TO THE CAR?
Still not helping me any. I need to know what's wrong. It can't be timing. Maybe stuck open valve?
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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 09:00 PM
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Still not helping me any. I need to know what's wrong. It can't be timing. Maybe stuck open valve?
WHITE SMOKE= HEADGASKET WATER IS IN THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER. OR A LEAKING IACV BUT NEVER SEEN THIS.
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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 09:01 PM
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AND BY SPUN IT OUT OF TIME. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 11:09 PM
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lol an iacv can't leak. The coolant channel is completely isolated and sealed. It's possible for the fitv to leak but not the iacv. Take off the iacv plate and see what it looks like when you get a chance.
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Old Apr 18, 2014 | 04:20 AM
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AND BY SPUN IT OUT OF TIME. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
What's up with the caps bro? And when I pulled timing covers off; the camshafts timing marks were almost flipped to bottom of where they were supposed to be. Up was straight down. And the car was sucking air through the exhaust.
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Old Apr 18, 2014 | 06:03 AM
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WHITE SMOKE= HEADGASKET WATER IS IN THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER. OR A LEAKING IACV BUT NEVER SEEN THIS.
It's unburnt gas coming back out the intake. It's vaporized from injectors like it's supposed to be, but I'm not sure why the engine won't ignite it. Maybe need new dizzy? You've just cut jokes dude. I actually need help. No criticism.
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Old Apr 18, 2014 | 09:00 AM
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lol an iacv can't leak. The coolant channel is completely isolated and sealed. It's possible for the fitv to leak but not the iacv. Take off the iacv plate and see what it looks like when you get a chance.
sorry you are wrong. ive had 2 leak water back into the intake. not only on hondas toyotas as well
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Old Apr 18, 2014 | 09:02 AM
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It's unburnt gas coming back out the intake. It's vaporized from injectors like it's supposed to be, but I'm not sure why the engine won't ignite it. Maybe need new dizzy? You've just cut jokes dude. I actually need help. No criticism.
dude white smoke does equal headgasket water getting into the chamber. black smoke means gas that is not being fully igniting and comes out raw. blue means burning oil. if you think these are jokes go ahead. holmemanny or w/e can call me a liar, only i know its true it happened to me not him
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Old Apr 18, 2014 | 12:16 PM
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Holmes knows his stuff and knows it very well a long with mad mike. Once the coolant enters the the block
And head it's sealed. What does your coolant look like and is it bubbly?
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Old Apr 18, 2014 | 12:50 PM
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Coolant is brand new. Replaced it with the water pump and timing belt. The engine spins and acts like it wants to catch but it never does and then white smoke comes out the intake. The smell is that of raw gas. It's getting spark just fine. Not sure why the engine isn't catching.
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Old Apr 18, 2014 | 12:52 PM
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Holmes knows his stuff and knows it very well a long with mad mike. Once the coolant enters the the block
And head it's sealed. What does your coolant look like and is it bubbly?
The old coolant was still green an not bubbly. I drove the car before I put the new starter on. The selinoid was shot. After putting the new starter on the car won't run at all. Spins but won't actually turn over
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Old Apr 19, 2014 | 07:07 AM
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So the motor is turning but not starting? You need to go back to everything you have done and make sure it was done correctly. It could be a timing issue or lack of spark. How did you check for the spark? You can have spark but not have the correct volts during the process. It
Could be weak.
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Old Apr 19, 2014 | 09:00 AM
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So the motor is turning but not starting? You need to go back to everything you have done and make sure it was done correctly. It could be a timing issue or lack of spark. How did you check for the spark? You can have spark but not have the correct volts during the process. It
Could be weak.
Checked with spark tester. Was decent. Not great. Brand new battery too. Got the new starter from the junkyard off exact same model wagon. Same color, same everything. Decent shape donor car. Maybe starter is pulling too much power by chance? ( I think if I'm not mistaken that some electronics pull more power just before death. One of those freak things?) maybe get a real new starter instead? See if that makes a difference? The car was starting just fine before I replaced the starter.
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sorry you are wrong. ive had 2 leak water back into the intake. not only on hondas toyotas as well
It is physically impossible unless you took it off and used a cutter to physically cut a hole into the iacv which im pretty confident you didnt do.
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Old Apr 19, 2014 | 04:23 PM
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nope. on rusty radiator vehicles it happens
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Old Apr 19, 2014 | 04:37 PM
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Sounds like improper timing resulting in excessive valve overlap, resulting in exhaust getting forced back out via intake valves resulting in your smoke. The purpose in asking if the coolant was bubbly is bc with a head gasket issue there would be pressure put into the cooling system during compression stoke, making bubbles...looking at the old coolant wouldn't tell you that. Recheck the timing though
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Old Apr 19, 2014 | 06:37 PM
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Sounds like improper timing resulting in excessive valve overlap, resulting in exhaust getting forced back out via intake valves resulting in your smoke. The purpose in asking if the coolant was bubbly is bc with a head gasket issue there would be pressure put into the cooling system during compression stoke, making bubbles...looking at the old coolant wouldn't tell you that. Recheck the timing though
Like I said. I've had the timing belt replaced and timed correctly twice. It's still spitting. How many more honda certified mechanics do I need to waste $500 at to have them all tell me it's timed correctly? Then still confused by the problem still existing.
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Old Apr 19, 2014 | 06:47 PM
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Ok man, first post you didn't even know what engine was in your car. The problem supposedly didn't occur until the timing was tampered with under belief that "the new starter threw off the timing". People have tried helping but you just argue with people who have years of experience, I came on this thread to offer help with something you clearly don't have the solution to so who are you to tell each person here they're wrong? Good luck
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Old Apr 19, 2014 | 11:26 PM
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Goodness did you mention timing gears opposite each other. Zak going back to see whether or not would make me far different then most *Experts*, as I enjoy reading this stuff, I know this but you need them facing each other igsact or its retarded at the gears according to my edelbrock performance double roller timing set, installation instructions. therefore the timing would need to not be correct but tampered, also like the gears.
But smoke out the throttle body indicates a MISFIRE dun dun dun. Spark cables are wrong, that's what my 351c said with a puff and misfire pop blowing out the carb, listen Zak. Even if the plug wires are right from experience just 180● them around at the dizzy.

But no knocking probably means your belt is good.
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Old Apr 19, 2014 | 11:32 PM
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As a cross pattern what's at the top needs to go to the opposite side as in this case the bottom. And as the bottom to the top. As left to the right and right to the left. Enjoy driving ha ha, I'll join the accord nation as soon as I have drive lines. I just completed a F20b swap and she puuurrrrsssss. Lol,,,
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