This is gonna be my first time building a poor man type R does anybody have and suggestion on what parts I should use? And Would I be able to hit 13s on the track ? This swap is going into my EJ6 . So far I have the following parts -
-b18c1 block.
- itr head
- itr cams
-skunk 2 manifold
- Aem intake
-s2k throttle body
-550cc injectors
- dc header 4-1
-gsr tranny
- 6 puck clutch
- 9 pound fly wheel
- heavy pressure plate
-chipped p73 ecu
Waiting for a tune.
I'm kinda new to the Honda game lol

 

i don't see it happening. it won't make any more power than a stock type r, possibly even slower with a gsr transmission.

 

So should I swap my tranny for a b16 or a type r ?

 

Uh, why exactly are you replacing a B16B with a frankenmotor? For that matter, why are you replacing a CTR transmission with a GSR? Something about everything you're saying doesn't add up.

 

Wth ? What b16b? I have a y7 single in my hatch rn

 

I don't have a b16b or a ctr it's just a stock y7!

 

u say ek9 no...?

 

Notice the EK9 on this list? You do not have an EK9, that is where the confusion is.

EG1 - USDM 93-95 del Sol D15B8 (8-valve)
EG1 - USDM 93-95 del Sol S D15B7
EG1 - USDM 93-95 del Sol VTEC-E D15Z1
EG2 - JDM 92-95 Civic hatch/sedan/CR-X B16A
EG2 - USDM 94-95 del Sol VTEC B16A3
EG2 - 96-97 del Sol VTEC/SiR B16A2
EG3 - JDM 92-95 Civic hatch/sedan D13B
EG4 - JDM 92-95 Civic MX hatch/sedan/CR-X D15B
EG5 - JDM 92-95 Civic n/a ? (ZC DOHC)
EG6 - JDM 92-95 Civic SiR hatch/sedan/CR-X B16A
EG6 - USDM 96-97 del Sol S D16Y7
EG6 - USDM 96-97 del Sol Si D16Y8
EG7 - JDM 92-95 Civic EL hatch/sedan D13B
EG8 - JDM 92-95 Civic VTi hatch/sedan/CR-X D15B VTEC
EG8 - USDM 92-95 Civic DX/LX sedan D15B7
EG9 - JDM 92-95 Civic SiR hatch/sedan/del Sol CR-X B16A VTEC
EGN1 - JDM 92 Civic sedan 1.6L ZC
EH1 - JDM 92-95 Civic sedan/4WD (ZC DOHC)
EH2 - USDM 92-95 Civic CX/VX/DX hatch 1.5L
EH3 - USDM 93-95 Civic Si hatch D16Z6
EH6 - USDM 93-95 del Sol Si D16Z6
EH9 - USDM 92-95 Civic EX/ESi sedan D16Z6
EJ1 - JDM 93-95 coupe D16A
EJ2 - USDM 92-95 Civic DX coupe 1.5L
EJ3 - JDM coupe / 4WD 1.6L ZC
EJ4 - JDM CRX del Sol D16A
EJ6 - CANADA 96-00 Civic CX/CX-G/DX/DX-G/EX/LX/SE/Si coupe/hatch/sedan D16Y7
EJ6 - USDM 96-00 Civic CX/DX/DX-V/LX coupe/hatch/sedan D16Y7
EJ7 - USDM 96-00 Civic HX coupe (VTEC-E) D16Y5
EJ8 - CANADA Civic EX coupe D16Y8
EJ8 - USDM Civic EX coupe/sedan D16Y8
EJ9 - EDM/JDM 96-00 D14A2 hatch/sedan
EK1 - Aust 96-00 GLi hatch/sedan auto D16Y4 non-VTEC 88kW/144Nm
EK2 - JDM 95-99 Civic EL hatch/sedan D13B
EK3 - JDM 95-99 Civic ML LEV/VTi/Ri hatch/sedan D15B VTEC
EK3 - 96-98 Integra SJ/EXi D15B
EK4 - JDM 95-99 Civic hatch/sedan B16A
EK5 - JDM 95-99 Civic 4WD/LEV RTi sedan D16A
EK6 - 95-99 Civic hatch
EK7 - 96-00 Civic hatch LSi 1.5L VTEC
EK8 - JDM 95-99 Civic 4WD/LEV sedan D16A
EK9 - JDM 97-00 Civic Type-R hatch B16B

 

Then you don't have an EK9, you have an EJ6. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why proper chassis codes are important!

 

Okay we'll I guess I have A ejj6

 

So is my car gonna run koo or not

 

Unless you're buying hot stuff off the street, that parts list is probably nearly as much money as a B18C R swap. Plus no tune and very little assembly.

 

AEM intakes are a waste of money unless you need the CARB stamp.

550cc/min injectors are WAY overkill for your motor.

A 6 puck clutch is also COMPLETE overkill. Get a full-faced, organic, non-cushioned, sprung hub clutch.

The P73 ECU is an OBD2 ECU. You can't chip or tune it. You will need a P72, P28, or other VTEC OBD1 ECU with a stepper harness.

 

All of these parts came with the motor just not put in yet

 

Sell all those parts and get a low mile Honda assembled motor.

 

13's is what you're after? Why would a stock B18C GSR swap with bolt ons and a B16/ITR trans NOT work to put your hatch in the 13's?

A stock ITR swap puts you in the 13's. Or....roughly 165-170whp with the same torque and gearing as an ITR swap puts you in the 13's.

Lol...EK9.....

It's cool though. He did say he was new to Hondas. NBD.

 

It's probably like a 2300 or 2400 LB car. Doesn't take much to make it quick. An almost stock GSR swap wifh short gearing will go a long way. Dump those 550cc injectors and that 6 puck clutch.

Normal clutch. Stock injectors. Good tune. The ITR head will make you lose maybe .5 parts of your CR. So your new CR would be 9.5:1. So...maybe get a head gasket.

 

As far as just a block goes, whats the compression difference on a GSR and the non-vtec blocks?

 

I wanna assemble an engine out of spare parts too. I was thinking start with a b16 vtec. Then buying a b18 block and having it built with higher compression pistons (forged) plus forged rods and maybe a crank if i need that. and the best cost/benefit can-take-a-beating bearings.

then when i feel like doing another engine swap, get headwork done, like: can-take-a-beating valves/springs, some badass cams, P&P, whatever else fits the whole cost-benefit scheme. finally Put the rebuilt b16 head on the rebuilt b18 block and bolt it in and bring it to a good tuner

 

The block doesn't decide compression, the rotating assembly does. If you really want stock compression numbers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_D_enginehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine

 

13 sec quarter miles turn into wanting to build a bad *** motor out of spare parts?

13 sec quarters can be run with stock "bad ***" motors that can take a beating.

Or are we beyond running 13 sec quarters now?

 

I meant factory-assembled-short-block. As in, discounting the effect the head has on compression. Basically, how much compression would I lose by using a "fake type r head" on a non-vtec engine block rather than the GSR shortblock

 

I do not approve of measuring potential engines in 1/4 or 1/8 times. I do not want to do 20+ 'laps' or 'drags' to race for 5 minutes.

I basically want to do the same thing as OP except I'd rather use a cheap good condition LS block than a beat & more expensive C1/5 block. Plus I'm making my own type-r head rather than buying, again, a beat type-r head. I'm buying parts locally, hence the "spare parts" comment. All I want to know "is my LS/vtec gonna suck until I raise the compression on the short block?"

 

http://www.zealautowerks.com/bseries.html

Have fun.

 

very interesting. Thanks dude.

Good luck with your approach to making a type-r replica engine OP