Ok I know that when it comes down to it that car manuf. are simply out to make money. But how friggin expensive can it be to make bigger intake/exhaust ports, intake tubes, exhaust pipes, etc. There's things that wouldn't cost them any money to make bigger/better but would yield some hp. I understand that the manuf.'s don't wanna put n20 on a factory car but c'mon why not give us some free hp.

 

Its called tuff Emission laws.The majoraty of the people want fuel effciant,reliable car's.If they where to market every car as a fuel hog,fart can then no one would buy.

 

Yep, all the manu. want is a fuel and smog efficient cars.

 

The manufactures are making cars for the "general public" or at least a targeted group of people, few of which you fall into.

 

in case you didnt know... Hondas are considered economical cars. Want bigger ports, IM, higher compression? If so... then why did you get a Honda?

 

Its all about that dolla dolla bill ya'll

 

It's all about the EPA yall.

 

because we drive HONDAS
there not meant to go fast.
they are made for economy!!

 

It is because it is a business. It needs to cater to the needs of the market, and make money out of that. Majority of the people, for example, bought a civic because of its economy and cost to own rather than performance. It just so happened that it cna also be tuned to be fast. Since majority of the market is for practicality rather than performance, the current civic is made to fit their needs rather than the performance enthusiast. The S2000 on the other hand is for another market segment, which is why it is awesome.

 

Thats funny I would say they make better parts than most aftermarket at least as far as quality goes. Look at your typical aftermarket company like APC. They make total garbage. Even more so when compared to the quality of parts Honda makes.

Now about performance, their performance models have parts tuned to maximize performance along with emmissions, noise control, and a slew of other things that people who arent after all out performance look at. Actually, someone who is looking for all out performance usually wouldnt be looking at a Honda.

 

it has to do with product lines as well.

if Honda made the Civic Si faster than an Integra Type R ... there would be a problem.

Each thing is put into a niche. Face it...most people don't buy cars looking to upgrade them at all. The aftermarket performance arena, while growing, still isn't very big. When I'm on the highway around Washington DC (a place with what I would consider a fair amount of car enthusiasts) maybe 1 in every 200 cars I see has a perf. mod. That's 0.5%

 

there is also a comfort factor. bigger straight through exhaust tubing makes more noise. open element filters that are low in the bumper make for a large hydrolock hazard if your not careful. harder lower springs make for a problem over bumps..and finally its just more cost effective to make parts and not spend the money in research for making them perform to the max right out of the box. thats why people buy the upper crust sports cars like aston martins, ferrari's, porche's etc.

 

Even if it does not cost MUCH more to make something better, every little bit counts to automakers. For instance, cleaning up the area around the valve seats (like on the ITR head) would give more power, better fuel economy, and not affect emissions. But it could cost an automaker $50-$75 (or so) extra per head. If this is done on a car where production volume is around 200000 per year, this would cost about $10000000-$15000000. This is significant.