Rear disc swap question
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Rear disc swap question
I have researched and all I get is more confused because I cant find specifically what im looking for. I picked up an 99 HX about a month ago and im trying to get the parts a for a rear disc swap (one of the few things I want to do before my engine swap). Id prefer to buy everything new, but unless im going to a dealer I cant seem to find the spindles for sale anywhere. Ive read I can use integra ones (getem at junkyard no problem) but id prefer the lighter 99-00 si ones, my buddy happens to have everything but the cables (for 100 $) but doesnt know what it was off of. He was going to put it in an eg hatch but sold the car and now just has them sitting around. Is there any way to tell what they came off of? And if theyre from an eg would they fit in my car? Could I use 99-00 si calipers and rotors on them? Thanks for any help
Re: Rear disc swap question
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REAR BRAKES OF YOUR 96-00 CIVIC
All but the OEM drums are considered upgrades because…I can't find any OEM larger drums that will bolt onto a civic. Even if I did, you'd still have to unbolt the drum spindle, so it’s just as much of a pain in the ***, if not more so, because most disc swaps…people swap the whole trailing arm. You may debate whether or not drums stop better than discs, but on a Civic, yes; discs ARE better at stopping you. Drums may last longer, but were interested in smaller 60-0 distances.
Common Interchangeability questions:
*When doing a rear disc conversion on an EK, you ONLY need the spindle, NOT the whole trailing arm. The spindle is held on by four T50 torx bolts and one 24mm bolt on all EF, EG, EK, DA, and DC chassis. Yes, the Torx bolts are hard to get out, and torque hard.
*88-00 Civic and 90-01 Integra Trailing arms are all interchangeable; all but the center bushing is the same.
*On an EK, use your stock LCAs, UCAs, and compensator arms or you will affect suspension geometry.
*Not all calipers may be 100% identical, but calipers and mounting brackets are Interchangeable between calipers on the following models: 88-91 CRX Si, 90-91 Civic Sedan EX, 99-00 Si, 94-95 Si with ABS, 96-97 Civic del Sol VTEC, 90-93 Integra,94-01 Integra (all models exc. Type-R)
*Civic drum rear brakes are lighter than Integra disc brakes by 7lbs spindle verse spindle.
*Civic Rear Discs are lighter than Integra Rear Discs (as a complete spindle, the rotors are identical), I don't know by how much.
*As of now, I know of no way to swap front calipers to use on the back. The caliper mount points are much farther apart for front caliper brackets, and most Hondas take solid rear discs, which are solid opposed to ventilated rotors, and they are much thinner. Also, you would have no e-brake mechanism because front calipers don’t have integrated e-brake parts.
THE 1996-2000 Honda Civic Rear Brake OEM Upgrade chart:
Weakest to strongest brake setup
Legend:
7CLP13S = 99-00 Si Caliper/CRX Si/90-01 Integra Caliper
Not all (7CLP13S) calipers/brackets may be 100% Identical, but calipers and mounting brackets are Interchangeable between calipers on the following models:
88-91 CRX Si, 90-91 Civic Sedan EX, 99-00 Si, 94-95 Si with ABS, 96-97 Del Sol VTEC, 90-93 Integra,94-01 Integra (all models exc. Type-R)
Si = Refers to the 7CLP13S (or equivelent) caliper and relative bracket
9CLP14S = EP3 Calipers/ RSX calipers
3EP = RSX/EP3 rear caliper bracket
*To use RSX/EP3 Calipers on a Civic/Integra with civic/ Integra e-brake cables, the e-brake attachment lever will need to be switched from any 7CLP13S caliper body.
*91-95 Legend rear calipers on a Civic/Teg with the 10.4" rotors uses the lighter Legend caliper, because it’s a caliper with just a piston, so it eliminates the e-brake cable and parts (for track cars). The 91-95 Legend used a separate drum for an e-brake.
** = The NSX Calipers on a Civic/Teg is NOT an OEM bolt on, and requires a custom bracket, one is available at http://www.fastbrakes.com
Stock 96-00 Civic DX
This is the OEM brake system. DX drum spindles, DX slave cylinder, DX drums
to 88-91 CRX Si
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use the 99-00 Civic Si e-brake cables.
to 92-95 Civic Si / 96-97 Del Sol VTEC
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) and swap them onto the Civic DX. You can use the 92-95 Civic Si or 96-97 Del Sol VTEC e-brake cables if 99-00 Si cables are not available, but they may be a bit long, so use the adjustment screw.
to 99-00 Civic Si
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use the 99-00 Civic Si e-brake cables.
to 90-01 Integra (exc. ITR)
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) and swap them onto the Civic DX. You can use the 94-01 Integra e-brake cables if 99-00 Si cables are not available, but they will be a bit long, so use the adjustment screw.
to >90-01 Integra (exc. ITR)
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, and calipers) and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use 02-03 Civic Si (EP3) caliper bracket mounts, 90-01 Integra brake pads, and EP3 rotors. Since the EP3 uses a 4x100 10.2” rear rotor, you will use the small Integra brake pad, but with the bracket will be spaced out farther from the center. You can use the 94-01 Integra e-brake cables if 99-00 Si cables are not available, but they will be a bit long, so use the adjustment screw.
to 02-03 Civic Si
Take the rear spindle (with bearing and hub) from any 88-00 Civic with rear discs, or 94-01 Integra and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use 02-03 Civic Si (EP3) caliper bracket mounts, 02-03 Civic Si EP3 brake pads, and 02-03 Civic Si EP3 rotors. To use RSX or EP3 Calipers on a Civic/Integra with Civic/Integra e-brake cables, use the e-brake attachment lever swapped on from any 7CLP13S caliper body. Use the 99-00 Civic Si e-brake cables.
to 02-06 RSX/ 04-05 Civic Si
Take the rear spindle from any 88-00 Civic with rear discs, or 94-01 Integra and swap them onto the Civic DX. Bolt the 5x114.3 hub from a 97-01 Integra Type-R on. Use 02-03 Civic Si (EP3) caliper bracket mounts, RSX brake pads, and 97-01 Integra Type-R rotors. To use RSX or EP3 Calipers on a Civic/Integra with Civic/Integra e-brake cables, use the e-brake attachment lever swapped on from any 7CLP13S caliper body. Use the 99-00 Civic Si e-brake cables. You will need 5-lug wheels.
to 96-00 Civic Type-R
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) from a 96-00 Civic Type-R and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use the 96-00 Civic Type-R e-brake cables. You will need 5-lug wheels.
to 97-01 Integra R
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) from a 97-01 Integra Type-R and swap them onto the Civic DX. You can use the 97-01 Integra Type-R e-brake cables if 99-00 Si cables are not available, but they may be a bit long so use the adjustment screw. You will need 5-lug wheels.
to 91-95 Legend
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, rotors, and pads) from a 97-01 Integra Type-R and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use the 91-95 Legend calipers and caliper hangars. You will no longer have an e-brake. You will need 5-lug wheels.
**to 91-96 NSX (not OEM)
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub) from a 96-00 Civic Si and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use the NSX calipers, pads, caliper mounting bracket, and a custom bracket adapter (from http://www.fastbrakes.com). Rotor unknown. Use the 99-00 Civic Si e-brake cables. You will need 5-lug wheels.
I'm don't know how to tell the difference in the spindles however.
If the parts are off an EG they will work on your HX. It's kinda unlikely though as I believe only the Si and an occasional EX/LX EG had rear disc brakes.
Not sure if any of this helped. Good luck with the swap!
eG.
REAR BRAKES OF YOUR 96-00 CIVIC
All but the OEM drums are considered upgrades because…I can't find any OEM larger drums that will bolt onto a civic. Even if I did, you'd still have to unbolt the drum spindle, so it’s just as much of a pain in the ***, if not more so, because most disc swaps…people swap the whole trailing arm. You may debate whether or not drums stop better than discs, but on a Civic, yes; discs ARE better at stopping you. Drums may last longer, but were interested in smaller 60-0 distances.
Common Interchangeability questions:
*When doing a rear disc conversion on an EK, you ONLY need the spindle, NOT the whole trailing arm. The spindle is held on by four T50 torx bolts and one 24mm bolt on all EF, EG, EK, DA, and DC chassis. Yes, the Torx bolts are hard to get out, and torque hard.
*88-00 Civic and 90-01 Integra Trailing arms are all interchangeable; all but the center bushing is the same.
*On an EK, use your stock LCAs, UCAs, and compensator arms or you will affect suspension geometry.
*Not all calipers may be 100% identical, but calipers and mounting brackets are Interchangeable between calipers on the following models: 88-91 CRX Si, 90-91 Civic Sedan EX, 99-00 Si, 94-95 Si with ABS, 96-97 Civic del Sol VTEC, 90-93 Integra,94-01 Integra (all models exc. Type-R)
*Civic drum rear brakes are lighter than Integra disc brakes by 7lbs spindle verse spindle.
*Civic Rear Discs are lighter than Integra Rear Discs (as a complete spindle, the rotors are identical), I don't know by how much.
*As of now, I know of no way to swap front calipers to use on the back. The caliper mount points are much farther apart for front caliper brackets, and most Hondas take solid rear discs, which are solid opposed to ventilated rotors, and they are much thinner. Also, you would have no e-brake mechanism because front calipers don’t have integrated e-brake parts.
THE 1996-2000 Honda Civic Rear Brake OEM Upgrade chart:
Weakest to strongest brake setup
Legend:
7CLP13S = 99-00 Si Caliper/CRX Si/90-01 Integra Caliper
Not all (7CLP13S) calipers/brackets may be 100% Identical, but calipers and mounting brackets are Interchangeable between calipers on the following models:
88-91 CRX Si, 90-91 Civic Sedan EX, 99-00 Si, 94-95 Si with ABS, 96-97 Del Sol VTEC, 90-93 Integra,94-01 Integra (all models exc. Type-R)
Si = Refers to the 7CLP13S (or equivelent) caliper and relative bracket
9CLP14S = EP3 Calipers/ RSX calipers
3EP = RSX/EP3 rear caliper bracket
*To use RSX/EP3 Calipers on a Civic/Integra with civic/ Integra e-brake cables, the e-brake attachment lever will need to be switched from any 7CLP13S caliper body.
*91-95 Legend rear calipers on a Civic/Teg with the 10.4" rotors uses the lighter Legend caliper, because it’s a caliper with just a piston, so it eliminates the e-brake cable and parts (for track cars). The 91-95 Legend used a separate drum for an e-brake.
** = The NSX Calipers on a Civic/Teg is NOT an OEM bolt on, and requires a custom bracket, one is available at http://www.fastbrakes.com
Stock 96-00 Civic DX
This is the OEM brake system. DX drum spindles, DX slave cylinder, DX drums
to 88-91 CRX Si
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use the 99-00 Civic Si e-brake cables.
to 92-95 Civic Si / 96-97 Del Sol VTEC
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) and swap them onto the Civic DX. You can use the 92-95 Civic Si or 96-97 Del Sol VTEC e-brake cables if 99-00 Si cables are not available, but they may be a bit long, so use the adjustment screw.
to 99-00 Civic Si
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use the 99-00 Civic Si e-brake cables.
to 90-01 Integra (exc. ITR)
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) and swap them onto the Civic DX. You can use the 94-01 Integra e-brake cables if 99-00 Si cables are not available, but they will be a bit long, so use the adjustment screw.
to >90-01 Integra (exc. ITR)
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, and calipers) and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use 02-03 Civic Si (EP3) caliper bracket mounts, 90-01 Integra brake pads, and EP3 rotors. Since the EP3 uses a 4x100 10.2” rear rotor, you will use the small Integra brake pad, but with the bracket will be spaced out farther from the center. You can use the 94-01 Integra e-brake cables if 99-00 Si cables are not available, but they will be a bit long, so use the adjustment screw.
to 02-03 Civic Si
Take the rear spindle (with bearing and hub) from any 88-00 Civic with rear discs, or 94-01 Integra and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use 02-03 Civic Si (EP3) caliper bracket mounts, 02-03 Civic Si EP3 brake pads, and 02-03 Civic Si EP3 rotors. To use RSX or EP3 Calipers on a Civic/Integra with Civic/Integra e-brake cables, use the e-brake attachment lever swapped on from any 7CLP13S caliper body. Use the 99-00 Civic Si e-brake cables.
to 02-06 RSX/ 04-05 Civic Si
Take the rear spindle from any 88-00 Civic with rear discs, or 94-01 Integra and swap them onto the Civic DX. Bolt the 5x114.3 hub from a 97-01 Integra Type-R on. Use 02-03 Civic Si (EP3) caliper bracket mounts, RSX brake pads, and 97-01 Integra Type-R rotors. To use RSX or EP3 Calipers on a Civic/Integra with Civic/Integra e-brake cables, use the e-brake attachment lever swapped on from any 7CLP13S caliper body. Use the 99-00 Civic Si e-brake cables. You will need 5-lug wheels.
to 96-00 Civic Type-R
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) from a 96-00 Civic Type-R and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use the 96-00 Civic Type-R e-brake cables. You will need 5-lug wheels.
to 97-01 Integra R
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, calipers, caliper hangars, rotors, and pads) from a 97-01 Integra Type-R and swap them onto the Civic DX. You can use the 97-01 Integra Type-R e-brake cables if 99-00 Si cables are not available, but they may be a bit long so use the adjustment screw. You will need 5-lug wheels.
to 91-95 Legend
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub, rotors, and pads) from a 97-01 Integra Type-R and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use the 91-95 Legend calipers and caliper hangars. You will no longer have an e-brake. You will need 5-lug wheels.
**to 91-96 NSX (not OEM)
Take the rear spindle (with bearing, hub) from a 96-00 Civic Si and swap them onto the Civic DX. Use the NSX calipers, pads, caliper mounting bracket, and a custom bracket adapter (from http://www.fastbrakes.com). Rotor unknown. Use the 99-00 Civic Si e-brake cables. You will need 5-lug wheels.
I'm don't know how to tell the difference in the spindles however.
If the parts are off an EG they will work on your HX. It's kinda unlikely though as I believe only the Si and an occasional EX/LX EG had rear disc brakes.
Not sure if any of this helped. Good luck with the swap!
eG.
Last edited by eHMxhACk; Nov 18, 2013 at 05:59 AM.
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Re: Rear disc swap question
I read a post like that, maybe that one but the picture was all blury this one I can see lol. Whats unlikely? Rears disc on an eg? My old 4 dr eg had disc oem not swapped, so I was assuming its common lol, but thanks for the info, judging by what I read in the picture I can put the si calipers and rotors on the eg (if they are) spindles? Correct me if im wrong please dont want to waste money on somethig I cant use lol. Thanks for the help
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Re: Rear disc swap question
Integra cables are fairly easy to use on 96-00 civics. One of the brackets won't bolt in and you have to adjust the adjuster all the way out to get them to hook in at the e brake handle.
99-00 si cables can be had at the dealer. IIRC, They're like $35/ea at bernardiparts.com
99-00 si cables can be had at the dealer. IIRC, They're like $35/ea at bernardiparts.com
Re: Rear disc swap question
Integra cables are fairly easy to use on 96-00 civics. One of the brackets won't bolt in and you have to adjust the adjuster all the way out to get them to hook in at the e brake handle.
99-00 si cables can be had at the dealer. IIRC, They're like $35/ea at bernardiparts.com
99-00 si cables can be had at the dealer. IIRC, They're like $35/ea at bernardiparts.com
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Re: Rear disc swap question
You can find almost everything (including cables) on rockauto.com just not the spindles so thats where my question derived from, but im going to look at this setup on friday (or sooner if i have the money) itd be nice if it was already the 99-00 swap and i just need cables, worst part is the cables were just replaced before i got it, and i replaced shoes and hardware 3 weeks ago lol, owell
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Re: Rear disc swap question
Integra cables are fairly easy to use on 96-00 civics. One of the brackets won't bolt in and you have to adjust the adjuster all the way out to get them to hook in at the e brake handle.
99-00 si cables can be had at the dealer. IIRC, They're like $35/ea at bernardiparts.com
99-00 si cables can be had at the dealer. IIRC, They're like $35/ea at bernardiparts.com
Re: Rear disc swap question
Well, this fine gentleman has a full swap with cables and just the cables.....
If he had just listed a week earlier.
http://hondamarketplace.com/showthread.php?t=3179751
If he had just listed a week earlier.
http://hondamarketplace.com/showthread.php?t=3179751
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Re: Rear disc swap question
I would but my buddies is cheaper and local, wont have to deal with waiting or shipping plus hes got brand new rotors and pads, probably ditch the rotors cuz there drilled -_- but looks like relatively new calipers, plus booster and mc, and probably extras, maybe even cables 
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Re: Rear disc swap question
One more question, whats difference between si front calipers and hx? I want to get steel braided lines, but I need to know if i need to switch my front setup aswell. Thanks guys
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Re: Rear disc swap question
Im trying to do that swap on a 2000 civic 4 doors and i was wondering wich disc brake line i should get??? SI brake line?? i live in canada i dont have the 9 inch brake in the front but rear disc brake
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Re: Rear disc swap question
what the point u just doing rear disc swap????
i would prefer swap to ek9 or ITR 5stud for the whole lot front and rear + 1" BMC that would give u alot better when u brakes.
other option i would get honda prelude 4x100 front caliper,rotors,caliper brackets and GSR 94-01 rear disc with trailing arm,handbrakes line.
i would prefer swap to ek9 or ITR 5stud for the whole lot front and rear + 1" BMC that would give u alot better when u brakes.
other option i would get honda prelude 4x100 front caliper,rotors,caliper brackets and GSR 94-01 rear disc with trailing arm,handbrakes line.
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Re: Rear disc swap question
Cheapest route and quickest route I think is to just buy the rear disc conversion brackets that are out there and get the rear disc calipers, discs, Si brake cables and fluid lines and be done with it. You can use calipers from an Si, most year integras. I don't think there is much weight difference in the calipers. The small weight issue shouldn't be that big of a deal.
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Re: Rear disc swap question
Yea ive already got everything just waiting to install it all, wasnt a cheap route either bought everything except the spindles and trailing arms. New hubs, lcas, ss lines, bushings ,toe arms camber kits, etc.
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