I've heard you can rebuild the Honda OEM starters with OEM Denso/Nippon parts using the Toyota rebuild kit. Are these two Toyota part numbers (28226-74070 and 28226-64370) equivalent to what is being sold in this kit on ebay? http://www.ebay.com/itm/281127991738...84.m1423.l2649

Does anyone know how these parts compare to the Toyota rebuild parts? Also, will these parts only repair the starter motor or also the solenoid? I am not exactly sure if these contacts and plunger go in the solenoid or the starter motor itself.

This is for a B18C, so the OEM starter part number is 31200-P73-A01. Are those Toyota part numbers good for these starters also, or just certain D series starters?

Any help is appreciated!

 

Those parts are for rebuilding the solenoid, in most cases all you need is the contacts, dirt cheap at your local alt./starter shop.

The rebuild is easy, search for my DIY tread. 94

 

I only found your DIY Start Circuit test. Can you post a link to the DIY you are speaking of for the solenoid rebuild?

Also, do you know if the Toyota parts are more reliable since they are OEM Denso, as opposed to some ebay kit or local starter shops?

 

pro tip: http://www.aspwholesale.com/index.php?

is where a lot of starter and alternator rebuild shops purchase from

 

Do you know the specs of B18C starters? I am not sure which Nippodenso kit to purchase.

 

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...+starter+motor 94

 

That is great!

So I am trying to get OEM Nippondenso parts for my solenoid (contacts and plunger). According to a write-up on Team-integra (http://www.team-integra.net/forum/19...than-20-a.html) the contacts are Toyota part numbers 28226-74070 and 28226-64370, but I am wondering what Toyota model and year car do you look under? I am asking this because I want to get an OEM plunger from Toyota and I want it to be from the same car that works for the Integra starters (Honda part 31200-P73-A01)

Those kits on ebay that include a plunger and both contacts will be my last resort, because I am sure they are generic parts which will not be as robust as OEM Nippondenso.

 

Do you even need the plunger?

I have repaired over 100 of them, [Honda/Acura, and many more other brands] by just installing new contacts, a little emery cloth on the plunger is all it really needs and as mentioned an alt./starter shop will have the correct ones in stock, just take your old ones with you. 94

 

I am not sure if I need the plunger. I will know once I get the contacts and open the starter, because it is my daily driver. For that reason I can't go to a starter shop with my old contacts. Also, the only starter shop around my town does not sell parts but charges $65 to rebuild with new plunger, contacts, bearings, and other stuff in the motor supposedly

Btw, can you use sandpaper instead of emery cloth or is that too abrasive? (220 is the finest grit I have)

 

Yes you can use sandpaper. 94

 

Thank you.

I just took off my starter, and it appears that I do not have a Nippondenso 31200-P73-A01 starter like I thought. I have a 96 JDM Type R motor and I was looking under a 97 USDM Type R motor to find the 31200-P73-A01 part number. Apparently I have a Mitsuba starter, and I cannot figure out how to open the solenoid.

Can anyone please help me out quickly? I just picked up the contacts from Toyota and it does not look like this solenoid can be opened like the other ones I see on write-ups and youtube videos.




How do you repair this one? Also, that nut that holds on the positive terminal contact does not adhere to any standard size socket I have. It is in between 11mm and 12mm. Very strange, no idea how to get it off.

 

Replace the solenoid. 94

 

Can you buy just the solenoid? I only want to buy OEM Honda.

Also, do you know why the 96 JDM Type R motor came with this starter? I thought Mitsuba only made starters for the D series motors or the 96-00 models.

 

You should be able to buy just the solenoid, that one is repairable but because it is a "crimp over" it is a lot harder to do, you have to uncrimp it the remove the end piece, as for the nut, it may be a .5, [11.5mm] I am running into more and more 5.5mm bolts on cars and it would not surprise me if more .5 nuts and bolts start showing up.

Have you tried a standard wrench on the nut yet? 94

 

No, I am sure I can open with an adjustable wrench but there is no need. I guess I cannot use the same contacts that I just purchased to repair this, correct?

I will either pay $60 to have the local starter shop "rebuild" this starter or just purchase a new OEM solenoid.

First I need to find out which year and model car this is from. Also I want to know why my ITR motor had this one.

 

I agree, the terminals are most likely not the same. 94

 

Do you think its worth it to get a used OEM Nippondenso starter (like out of a USDM B series) so I could easily replace the contacts and plunger if necessary later on? Or should I just simply repair the Mitsuba one I have, at a local starter shop? Alternatively, I can try to get a new OEM solenoid from the Mitsuba starters on the 96-97 Civics or the 99-00 Civic Si but I am not sure if that will work on this starter since the Mitsuba part numbers for the starters are a little different.

I can also just get another used OEM starter that is identical to mine from a JDM importer, but later on it could run into the same issues where it needs to be rebuilt.

 

i would get the used one from a jdm importer. what do they want? $50 for it? get that, use it, rebuild your old one in your spare time for a backup

 

Yup, $50 and then I would have to pay about $10 for shipping. Your suggestion sounds good.

Is it possible to rebuild these by oneself? They do not look as simple as the Nippondenso ones. I am not sure what the local starter shop will do when they "rebuild" this one.

Are these Mitsuba starters known to be better starters than the Nippondenso ones with the old plunger design? I am sort of tempted to just use a Nippondenso B series starter so I have the ability to easily repair the solenoid myself.

 

i have no idea honestly. that link i posted to ASP above is where a local starter shop i know of buys their stuff from.

i think one of the reasons i haven't heard much about starter rebuilding is that they are so reliable on these cars that #1 they don't fail often and #2 jdm importers usually have used ones for $50 so no one really bothers with the aftermarket parts to fix their old one

 

ASP has the solenoid for $41 for the Mitsuba SM-422-09 (what I believe to be the most similar one in the USDM off the 96-97 Civic). It might be worth it in that case, to pay $60 for a local rebuild where they claim to replace the solenoid. Could be with a crappy Chinese piece, but starters and solenoids are pretty simple pieces of equipment where even the local rebuilders parts should be fairly reliable.

If this rebuild goes terribly wrong, then I will get another used identical JDM one and go from there. Maybe that one will be in better condition than my current one, which I doubt seeing as they both came from the same time period in 96.

 

Even though they are simple systems, you can still get cheap junk parts for them, it depends on the rebuild shop, ask them what they use.

If it was me, I would hit up a boneyard, [PicknPull] and get the other B engine starter, [if it will work on your JDM engine, can't see why it would not] that way, as you mentioned, you can rebuild it if needed in the future.

 

Hmmm.. so you suggest to get the Nippondenso starter from the USDM GSR or Type R. I am not 100% that it will work even though it is still a B series. I want to get a second opinion, from someone on this forum hopefully, who has done the starter swap personally.

Also, I asked the shop what brand solenoid they will be using for the replacement and he laughed saying "whatever China produces. They are all the same just labeled in different bins". I am not very happy with the fact that he laughed and basically told me that "I'm not going to find OEM" and I told him yeah you can always go to the Honda/Acura dealership and buy an OEM solenoid. Because of this interaction with them today, I am not sure that I want to use them (this is unfortunately the only shop in town).

 

oem is probably unavailable. most the time OE only sells the starter as a whole. you can buy the whole starter but not parts for it. that's why i mentioned either buying the parts from ASP or buying that JDM starter. i was into these cars years ago when parts were even easier to find and have never heard nor seen anyone getting an OE solenoid. you can call acura and find out if they are in the listing but i don't remember seeing them in the starter chart. acura also wants money for a brand new starter

it's actually pretty common. my z06 is in the same situation. if you want a starter you can buy GM, ac delco or a crappy starter but GM does not sell any parts for the starters by themselves

chances are if you spend 60 on a jdm starter it will work for a long *** time.

 

You actually could buy the OEM solenoid (but not internal parts for the motor or solenoid).
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ME%29+%28MT%29
It is illustration number 7 (switch assembly) for $150.

I think I will take the chance at buying another used JDM one from the importer. It's more tempting to go get this one rebuilt at the local shop because it can be done in an hour.