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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 09:54 PM
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Hey guys I really need help with getting my car to start. What happen was my battery died cuz I left mh lights on while at work. And didnt have the money to replace the battery for a week so during that week I decided to replace the distributor cuz the b20b needed a 90-91 Integra dizzy and the car had the stock one on it (which ran good surpisingly but didnt accelerate as much as it should of ) anyways . I cant get it to start, I got powering to the wires in the engine harness that go to the coil and the NEW coil I bought has power in it, it cranks. But wont starts, makes a pop sound. Friend of mine said sounds like its not firing all cylinders maybe? Idk. Could it be the cap? Rotor? Is the timing totally off? I did move the distributor around and tired to start it to see if I could get it timed but same results. Any help is much apprciated. Please help!
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 10:46 PM
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Default Re: help please! no spark, 91 ef hatch si b20b

im confused a little. the b20b is an obdII motor. Why are you wanting a 90-91 teg dizzy? And if you're using the stock dizzy from it that should be obd2 as well... just trying to figure out what your doing?
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 88_hatch_ls
im confused a little. the b20b is an obdII motor. Why are you wanting a 90-91 teg dizzy? And if you're using the stock dizzy from it that should be obd2 as well... just trying to figure out what your doing?
I'm confused also, the obdII distributor will work just fine either re-pinned or with a conversion harness. Have you double checked your pin out on the distributor and also the firing order? What ecu are you running?
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 07:54 AM
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I'm confused also, the obdII distributor will work just fine either re-pinned or with a conversion harness. Have you double checked your pin out on the distributor and also the firing order? What ecu are you running?


Firing order right. And every forum I looked at says for a b20b swap in the ef needs a 90-91 Integra distributor
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 08:14 AM
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Well it depends on what Ecu your running though
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 88_hatch_ls
Well it depends on what Ecu your running though
^This.

I am currently running the obd2 jdm distributor for the b20b in my 88 std hatch but I'm also running a p28 ecu. Both with no issues what so ever.

What ecu are you running? I may have some pin outs some place I can send you.

Edit: you may find this handy for checking wiring:

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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 10:21 AM
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[QUOTE=category5;49015905]^This.

I am currently running the obd2 jdm distributor for the b20b in my 88 std hatch but I'm also running a p28 ecu. Both with no issues what so ever.



Im running pr4 , I think timing is off, I didnt know I had to put it to top dead center when I change the distributor. I just took off the old one and put the new one on and wired it up . Where is the crankshaft? So I can put it to top dead center and put the dizzy on . Im pretty sure timing is off cuz car was running fine before I put the new one on.
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 10:27 AM
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Is your PR4 OBD0 or OBD1?

OBD1 and OBD2 distributors send the correct sensor data to the OBD1 or OBD2 ECU.

Neither OBD1 or OBD2 distributors can be used with OBD0 ECUs.
(and OBD0 distributors can't be used with OBD1 or OBD2 ECUs)
Wrong sensor data.
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 10:38 AM
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I believe its obd0 . And right now I have the old dizzy that was on installed.still didnt work, so im sure timing is off. And when i say old dizzy i mean the stock dizzy from the orginal motor 91 civic si. It was on there when I got the car so idk.
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 10:44 AM
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Which ECU does yours resemble?
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 10:52 AM
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Looks like the bottom. Imma post pics of it right now
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 10:56 AM
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 10:57 AM
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That's an OBD0 PR4.
You do need the 90/91 LS distributor.

From what I'm reading on the internet, it bolts right up and timing is easy to set.

I would check to make sure you have the firing order correct and that each spark plug is firing.
Also make sure each injector is spraying.

Weird how you it ran on the wrong distributor (poorly) but now it doesn't run at all with the correct distributor.
Maybe the LS distributor is bad???
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 11:04 AM
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I know the stock dizzy was only bolted up with one bolt. Smh lol. Idk what the previous owner was thinking. But the coil in the ls dizzy was bad so I replaced it and still the same. Firing order is correct. If im right . On the head its 4-3-2-1 ,
On the cap its
1. 3
2. 4


Correct? And how should I test the spark plugs and injectiors?
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 11:06 AM
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I'm betting it's 180 degrees out, if you slapped on that distributor without noting the proper orientation of the rotor you can be out 180...very easy to do.

Bring cylinder 1 up to TDC and see where your rotor is pointing...
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 11:09 AM
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Thats what I wanted to do but im a noob and need to know where the crankshaft is so I can get it to tdc
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 11:36 AM
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No Prob, we all started as a noob at some point.

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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 11:40 AM
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No Prob, we all started as a noob at some point.




Okay so I just turn that whole thing? Untill the piston hits the first cylinder right?
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 11:47 AM
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Yup. and rotate it counter-clockwise only.
There is a bolt on the side you turn.
Remove all your spark plugs or you will have a hard time fighting all the cylinder pressure.




You want the piston in cylinder 1 to be lifted all the way to the top (Top Dead Center)
You can check this by putting a long screwdriver though the spark plug hole and rotating the crank shaft.
Screwdriver will be pushed the most out when you have TDC

While revolving the crank one full rotation (360 degrees) each piston comes to TDC twice.
Take off your upper belt cover and check your cam timing.
You want them to look like this when you have it at the proper TDC
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 12:27 PM
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Okay imma try that, and also. What firing order should I use? The one for the 90-91 integra dizzy, or the b20b firing order?
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 12:45 PM
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90/91 teg since you are using the 90/91 teg ECU
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 12:55 PM
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Any have a diagram of the firing order?
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 01:44 PM
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#1 is the plug closest to the cam gears.

That might be your problem right there!
Try putting your wires on correctly before anything else.
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 06:48 PM
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Just to let ya know I got it started! Put the firing order in right using the ls diagram. And also I got it to TDC . Started right up. Thank you all! I appreciate all the help!
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