What does it take to go 10.99 w/ NA B series?
I'm building a new car right now, and that's my ultimate goal. 10.99 or faster with a NA b series.
My question is what does it take? I've been doing tons of homework but the info isn't super readily available from what I've seen. There's a few older build threads and pics no longer work and what not.
Most all motor cars now are k, and alot of the b guys are all top secret with it.
Anyone willing to share some setups? Engine builds and chassis setup? Full race car not for street use.
Fuel type?
Trans gearing?
My question is what does it take? I've been doing tons of homework but the info isn't super readily available from what I've seen. There's a few older build threads and pics no longer work and what not.
Most all motor cars now are k, and alot of the b guys are all top secret with it.
Anyone willing to share some setups? Engine builds and chassis setup? Full race car not for street use.
Fuel type?
Trans gearing?
Got that right...
So far I'm planning on 85x95 aluminum rod setup with 15:1 and either q16 or methanol. Already have a 4 piston outlaw head I'd like to be as close to that fabled 300hp mark as I can get but realistically 285-290?
The car is a 91 civic hatch super gutted stripped down.
So far I'm planning on 85x95 aluminum rod setup with 15:1 and either q16 or methanol. Already have a 4 piston outlaw head I'd like to be as close to that fabled 300hp mark as I can get but realistically 285-290?
The car is a 91 civic hatch super gutted stripped down.
You can do it on a stock stroke...
1st WEIGHT REDUCTION. Get the car as light as possible...1800lbs is All Motor Street class legal, you CAN get them lighter.
Power, roughly 260-280 Dynojet-ish HP range.
85 x 89 with Compression, a Good Head (4 Piston), a Good Cam, a Big Intake Manifold (Golden Eagle Sheet metal, modified Victor X, etc) and a 90mm Throttle Body and a 4-5 inch intake. A Good Header is a must, ASP makes nice stuff.
As far as Fuel, VP Q16, Ethanol...should work fine.
Good Tranny Gearing, Good Slicks, 23-24" should do it depending on your gearing. You should be trapping somewhere around 120-125 depending on weight so gear accordingly.
I must be forgetting something...
1st WEIGHT REDUCTION. Get the car as light as possible...1800lbs is All Motor Street class legal, you CAN get them lighter.
Power, roughly 260-280 Dynojet-ish HP range.
85 x 89 with Compression, a Good Head (4 Piston), a Good Cam, a Big Intake Manifold (Golden Eagle Sheet metal, modified Victor X, etc) and a 90mm Throttle Body and a 4-5 inch intake. A Good Header is a must, ASP makes nice stuff.
As far as Fuel, VP Q16, Ethanol...should work fine.
Good Tranny Gearing, Good Slicks, 23-24" should do it depending on your gearing. You should be trapping somewhere around 120-125 depending on weight so gear accordingly.
I must be forgetting something...
You can do it on a stock stroke...
1st WEIGHT REDUCTION. Get the car as light as possible...1800lbs is All Motor Street class legal, you CAN get them lighter.
Power, roughly 260-280 Dynojet-ish HP range.
85 x 89 with Compression, a Good Head (4 Piston), a Good Cam, a Big Intake Manifold (Golden Eagle Sheet metal, modified Victor X, etc) and a 90mm Throttle Body and a 4-5 inch intake. A Good Header is a must, ASP makes nice stuff.
As far as Fuel, VP Q16, Ethanol...should work fine.
Good Tranny Gearing, Good Slicks, 23-24" should do it depending on your gearing. You should be trapping somewhere around 120-125 depending on weight so gear accordingly.
I must be forgetting something...
1st WEIGHT REDUCTION. Get the car as light as possible...1800lbs is All Motor Street class legal, you CAN get them lighter.
Power, roughly 260-280 Dynojet-ish HP range.
85 x 89 with Compression, a Good Head (4 Piston), a Good Cam, a Big Intake Manifold (Golden Eagle Sheet metal, modified Victor X, etc) and a 90mm Throttle Body and a 4-5 inch intake. A Good Header is a must, ASP makes nice stuff.
As far as Fuel, VP Q16, Ethanol...should work fine.
Good Tranny Gearing, Good Slicks, 23-24" should do it depending on your gearing. You should be trapping somewhere around 120-125 depending on weight so gear accordingly.
I must be forgetting something...
But it seems like I've got my plan laid out well so it's just a matter of buying the rest of the stuff I need and putting the car together
The chassis will determine your success. The car will need to be very light and hook well.
A stroker crank will make things a little easier but it can be done on the stock crank.
A stroker crank will make things a little easier but it can be done on the stock crank.
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True. Hopefully this car will hook as well as my last one did. Same car different shell, 200hp but running nitrous I got consistent 1.6x 60' times. That was with 22" slicks, stock GSR trans open diff, stock axles and **** bushings.
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Contact Luke at 4Piston tell him your goals and he will point you in the right direction. 300hp B series is not too hard.
Thanks for the responses, yes I have gotten some solid advice from Chris at Xenocron and Luke at 4 piston. Now it's just a question of getting the cash for the rest of the parts and see if I can drive it like a man
85x89 stroke here made 271/171 on a b16b
off the self pistons and eagle rods
on e85 pump
still dialing her in and going on a diet (2150lb at the moment)
off the self pistons and eagle rods
on e85 pump
still dialing her in and going on a diet (2150lb at the moment)
I would be aiming for some low to mid 1.5 60ft times. Won't need as much mph to get there then.
The stroker should easily make enough torque to make it happen. Just have to dial in the suspension and tire setup.
The stroker should easily make enough torque to make it happen. Just have to dial in the suspension and tire setup.
Don't overlook your suspension and chassis tuning. The people running the kingpin machine front and meyers competition rear setups with the K series motors all seem to be running in the low 10's to high 9's. I would think that same setup in a B series powered car would result in 1-2 tenth's quicker in the 60'.
^ agreed. Kingpin front bearings and the tubular rears are on the list for sure. Right now I have blox drag coilovers for it but I may have to switch out the rears for something with less spring rate and more shock dampening
I dont think it is that hard. Here is my experience:
248 whp
Stock B16 gearing
1930lb with driver
23x8x13
11.45 e/t
Should go 10's with about 275 whp and the same weight. Not to hard to accomplish now days.
248 whp
Stock B16 gearing
1930lb with driver
23x8x13
11.45 e/t
Should go 10's with about 275 whp and the same weight. Not to hard to accomplish now days.
I wouldn't downplay it too much. There are plenty of people trying and a lot less people doing it. You can make over 300...but to call it easy is bold considering there's only a handful of guys legitimately making over 300hp. Some of the guys in the 10s have real basic chassis setups though...far from optimized. Others are just really cut and really light.
And just to be clear...there is ONE street car that has been 9s at a weighted event on fuel that anyone can go buy OR that does not have some sort of nitroparaffin in the fuel.
And just to be clear...there is ONE street car that has been 9s at a weighted event on fuel that anyone can go buy OR that does not have some sort of nitroparaffin in the fuel.
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I wouldn't downplay it too much. There are plenty of people trying and a lot less people doing it. You can make over 300...but to call it easy is bold considering there's only a handful of guys legitimately making over 300hp. Some of the guys in the 10s have real basic chassis setups though...far from optimized. Others are just really cut and really light.
And just to be clear...there is ONE street car that has been 9s at a weighted event on fuel that anyone can go buy or that does not have some sort of nitroparaffin in the fuel.
And just to be clear...there is ONE street car that has been 9s at a weighted event on fuel that anyone can go buy or that does not have some sort of nitroparaffin in the fuel.
Drag racing Hondas where I'm at isn't very big or popular, and it's mostly raced on the street. I'm not a big fan of running on the roads... Too many risks for me.
But I've also seen local cars that make 500hp on the dyno but can't break past 12 or 13 sec 1/4 miles at the track.
I guess in short- tens is still fast, not a walk in the park. But I want to be there with this project and ill do what it takes
We have a 4piston 86x98. 15:1, my ported head, pro 3 cams, bmc race intake manifold with a 90mm tb, hytech rep big tube that made 295 on q16 and went 10.90@124 and will go faster. Thats was only the second time out. So I would definitely contact Luke or pm me for further details
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back in the early to mid 2000s Erick's Racing and Leslie Durst were the only cars to run 9s with a Bseries. I know Erick is still around. Just think of how far we have came since both of them ran those numbers. Even though they did it full race chassis, the knowledge is there to get 300hp.



