Toda, Jun, HondaSaver.....
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Toda, Jun, HondaSaver.....
I know this has been beating many many times..
Lately i have been hearing nothing but bad things about toda...
Im looking into either toda Bs or Jun 3s or maybe the new hondasavers....
Pros:
Jun = Peak horsepower is more then Toda, when warm sound almost stock
Toda = smoother vtec engaugement point.. more mid range
hondasaver = said to have more peak then jun
Cons:
Jun = Known to snap
Toda = Known to kill timing belts, to eat rocker arms.... dont idle as well as jun, lobey idle
Hondasaver = brand new, havent fixed the bugs yet.
-Jordo
anyone?
Lately i have been hearing nothing but bad things about toda...
Im looking into either toda Bs or Jun 3s or maybe the new hondasavers....
Pros:
Jun = Peak horsepower is more then Toda, when warm sound almost stock
Toda = smoother vtec engaugement point.. more mid range
hondasaver = said to have more peak then jun
Cons:
Jun = Known to snap
Toda = Known to kill timing belts, to eat rocker arms.... dont idle as well as jun, lobey idle
Hondasaver = brand new, havent fixed the bugs yet.
-Jordo
anyone?
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (Jordo)
.....go turbo.
Otherwise, those anti-toda myths are bs (imh experience).
If you want a safety net, just drop your car off for a full rebuild on spec D's with sakai. You'll thank me later.
Otherwise, those anti-toda myths are bs (imh experience).
If you want a safety net, just drop your car off for a full rebuild on spec D's with sakai. You'll thank me later.
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (Black R)
i do want turbo, but allmotor is what im doing
.....ok, if you're really a scaredy-cat just do spec a's. 
.....ok, if you're really a scaredy-cat just do spec a's.
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (Reid)
Why are you doing all motor if you want turbo?
If you want turbo, do turbo.
Wouldn't that make more sense?
If you want turbo, do turbo.
Wouldn't that make more sense?
But if you really want turbo just get it dude.
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (TypeR 599)
yeah, you'll spend more on n/a to get the same power a turbo has at low boost. plus you want turbo so you'll enjoy it more
My reasons for allmotor:
I am a jdm junkie....
I want jdm front, oem cleaness
I enjoy shows, and Road racing/autox... thats why i choose allmotor
[Modified by Jordo, 7:18 PM 10/23/2002]
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (Jordo)
yeah, you'll spend more on n/a to get the same power a turbo has at low boost. plus you want turbo so you'll enjoy it more
im fine with allmotor
Turbos cost alot... I know allmotor does to, but.. i dont know how to explain it..
im fine with allmotor
Turbos cost alot... I know allmotor does to, but.. i dont know how to explain it..
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (TypeR 599)
I bet that 210whp allmotor would smoke that turboed 210whp..
Honestly if i want just speed, i would be smart and buy no2, and get bolt ons..
I have a group of friends, they all run 11s, 12s on no2....
[Modified by Jordo, 7:20 PM 10/23/2002]
Honestly if i want just speed, i would be smart and buy no2, and get bolt ons..
I have a group of friends, they all run 11s, 12s on no2....
[Modified by Jordo, 7:20 PM 10/23/2002]
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (Jordo)
yeah but 210-220whp is almost maxed out for a n/a ITR(sgt is the exception 
). 210whp for a turbo R is probably the minimum, since it was done at such low boost. for that kit atleast
). 210whp for a turbo R is probably the minimum, since it was done at such low boost. for that kit atleast
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (TypeR 599)
yeah but 210-220whp is almost maxed out for a n/a ITR(sgt is the exception ). 210whp for a turbo R is probably the minimum, since it was done at such low boost. for that kit atleast
). 210whp for a turbo R is probably the minimum, since it was done at such low boost. for that kit atleast
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i wanted turbo soo bad too
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (Black R)
.....go turbo.
Otherwise, those anti-toda myths are bs (imh experience).
Otherwise, those anti-toda myths are bs (imh experience).
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (Jordo)
yeah but 210-220whp is almost maxed out for a n/a ITR(sgt is the exception ). 210whp for a turbo R is probably the minimum, since it was done at such low boost. for that kit atleast
yeah, man you dont know how bad i want turbo....... but im the kind of person that wont settle for a drag 3 kit.. if i went turbo id go custom
Custom 2.5" intercooler piping
Custom intercoler 20x8x3.5"
Precision pt60
Full Race EQ manifold
Hks SS bov
Tial 35mm hp
GE sleeved to 84.5mm block
10.1 Compression pistons
AEM Standalone...
just some parts .... i wanted turbo soo bad too
). 210whp for a turbo R is probably the minimum, since it was done at such low boost. for that kit atleastyeah, man you dont know how bad i want turbo....... but im the kind of person that wont settle for a drag 3 kit.. if i went turbo id go custom
Custom 2.5" intercooler piping
Custom intercoler 20x8x3.5"
Precision pt60
Full Race EQ manifold
Hks SS bov
Tial 35mm hp
GE sleeved to 84.5mm block
10.1 Compression pistons
AEM Standalone...
just some parts ....
i wanted turbo soo bad too
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (TypeR 599)
yeah but 210-220whp is almost maxed out for a n/a ITR(sgt is the exception ). 210whp for a turbo R is probably the minimum, since it was done at such low boost. for that kit atleast
yeah, man you dont know how bad i want turbo....... but im the kind of person that wont settle for a drag 3 kit.. if i went turbo id go custom
Custom 2.5" intercooler piping
Custom intercoler 20x8x3.5"
Precision pt60
Full Race EQ manifold
Hks SS bov
Tial 35mm hp
GE sleeved to 84.5mm block
10.1 Compression pistons
AEM Standalone...
just some parts .... i wanted turbo soo bad too
if you want it soo bad, i can guarantee you that you wont enjoy the n/a for long. i've driven both, an R w/ a full JUN head package, and a turbo R w/ the drag kit. the turbo R pulled so much harder, even at low rpm and low boost it felt stronger than the JUN 3 R below vtec.
). 210whp for a turbo R is probably the minimum, since it was done at such low boost. for that kit atleastyeah, man you dont know how bad i want turbo....... but im the kind of person that wont settle for a drag 3 kit.. if i went turbo id go custom
Custom 2.5" intercooler piping
Custom intercoler 20x8x3.5"
Precision pt60
Full Race EQ manifold
Hks SS bov
Tial 35mm hp
GE sleeved to 84.5mm block
10.1 Compression pistons
AEM Standalone...
just some parts ....
i wanted turbo soo bad tooif you want it soo bad, i can guarantee you that you wont enjoy the n/a for long. i've driven both, an R w/ a full JUN head package, and a turbo R w/ the drag kit. the turbo R pulled so much harder, even at low rpm and low boost it felt stronger than the JUN 3 R below vtec.
..... itll take me to long
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (Jordo)
QUOTE]My reasons for allmotor:
I am a jdm junkie....
I want jdm front, oem cleaness[/quote]
Neither of those things have anything to do with a turbo vs N/A setup.
Turbos get more show points than all motor setups. After all you can't SEE all motor setups, so how can you show them off?
I bet that the turbo car would destroy the all motor car if they both could get traction.
I am a jdm junkie....
I want jdm front, oem cleaness
[/quote]Neither of those things have anything to do with a turbo vs N/A setup.
I enjoy shows, and Road racing/autox... thats why i choose allmotor
I bet that 210whp allmotor would smoke that turboed 210whp..
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (Jordo)
if i go turbo, ill never get the turbo kit ..... itll take me to long
..... itll take me to long
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (TypeR 599)
if i go turbo, ill never get the turbo kit ..... itll take me to long
dude, the drag kit could get you to 300whp(fully built of course), that's not enough for you daily driven?
..... itll take me to long dude, the drag kit could get you to 300whp(fully built of course), that's not enough for you daily driven?
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Re: Toda, Jun, HondaSaver..... (Jordo)
if i go turbo, ill never get the turbo kit ..... itll take me to long
dude, the drag kit could get you to 300whp(fully built of course), that's not enough for you daily driven?
i know what the drag 3 kit can do... i like the hondasaver/max rev turbo kit..
..... itll take me to long dude, the drag kit could get you to 300whp(fully built of course), that's not enough for you daily driven?
i know what the drag 3 kit can do... i like the hondasaver/max rev turbo kit..
turbo is owning you once again
