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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 06:56 PM
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Default WTF is going one with the h22a cb5

*I did search and did not come up with anything, other than 6+ year old swap threads that involve cutting and splicing crap and swaps into obdI preludes and accords*

I bought a 97 (made in 96) accord automatic with a h22 swap for the wifey.

Mods;
skunk manifold,
ebay headers
aem fuel rail
aem adjustable cam gears

Only happens if reverse. If i put in reverse and let it idle, it stays running but as soon as i apply the throttle, bam, it dies.

was told the problem is commonly caused by a dirty automatic idle speed control valve and throttle valve. *cleaned them out today*

update as of today:

found out the car has a f'd up wiring.

The motor has a p13 obII 5spd ecu wired into the harness aswell as P0J automatic ecu wired into the same harness for the transmission. (facepalm)

Since I need to replace the whole engine harness and the car is obdII, would it be the whole engine harness from the ecu to the drive side like the 96-00 civics? if so, would I be able to use a 96-97 accord ex v-tec wiring with a sohc v-tec ecu?

I honestly don't care if I lose power on the H, as long as it runs good. Its for the wifey.

Is there a way to convert the p13 to automatic?

Sorry i'm a newb to accords. 1st accord and 2nd obdII out of mostly civics and integras.
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 07:08 PM
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The motor has a p13 obII 5spd ecu wired into the harness aswell as P0J automatic ecu wired into the same harness for the transmission.
What ???
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 07:12 PM
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These 5th Gen Accords has a engine harness of it's own and disconnects by the strut tower unlike the 6th Gen Civics, etc.

You can't run the stock F22B1 SOHC VTEC ECU, because the 02 and EGR are backwards on these 94-97 Accords, so no go. So when us Accord guys do H22 swaps, those are the two wires we switch around at the ECU connector to get the H22 running properly with a P13, P28 chipped, etc.
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 07:15 PM
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He needs to downconvert to obd1 and pick up a japanese auto h22 tranny and jdm h22 tcu.

Only the '94 '95 obd1 accords had to worry about the swapping of pins A6 and A11. It won't come into play in his swap since he was obd2 to start.
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 07:34 PM
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He needs to downconvert to obd1 and pick up a japanese auto h22 tranny and jdm h22 tcu.

Only the '94 '95 obd1 accords had to worry about the swapping of pins A6 and A11. It won't come into play in his swap since he was obd2 to start.
Huh. I don't know why they would state that the 5th Gen meaning 94-97 Accords were the only Honda model generation that has the 02 and EGR backwards which had me thinking that its towards the 96-97 as well when I did my research before performing my H swap. Never done an OBD2 H swap before, so I never had to do it on one. Just went by what I read from my years of searched.
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lol it's cool I think they just don't narrow it down...they just speaking in a general sense in "5th gen accords"
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 07:58 PM
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What ???
the plugs where the one ecu would plug into by the foot panel, well, it has the p13 and P0J ecu wired in together. example, half of the wires (my guess are the engine wires) run to the P13 and the other wires (tranny wiring) is running to the P0J ecu.

I know ghetto, I'm trying to go back to stock so I have a clean start.

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These 5th Gen Accords has a engine harness of it's own and disconnects by the strut tower unlike the 6th Gen Civics, etc.

You can't run the stock F22B1 SOHC VTEC ECU, because the 02 and EGR are backwards on these 94-97 Accords, so no go. So when us Accord guys do H22 swaps, those are the two wires we switch around at the ECU connector to get the H22 running properly with a P13, P28 chipped, etc.
but my ride is OBD2 not OBD1.

See, I have done my research lol

so the engine harness is separate from the ecu plugs by the foot panel? So i would have to get a new engine harness, aswell as cut the ones by the kick panel off a stock accord and resolder the wires to the ghetto ones?

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Huh. I don't know why they would state that the 5th Gen meaning 94-97 Accords were the only Honda model generation that has the 02 and EGR backwards which had me thinking that its towards the 96-97 as well when I did my research before performing my H swap. Never done an OBD2 H swap before, so I never had to do it on one. Just went by what I read from my years of searched.
In my search, I have never found someone doing a OBD2 h22a swap.
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you need an obd2a to obd1 subharness...assuming you put back the wires the way they originally were
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Originally Posted by holmesnmanny
you need an obd2a to obd1 subharness...assuming you put back the wires the way they originally were
even though I have a obdII P13 ecu? will that run the car even though the car is auto and the ecu is 5spd?

gosh, I feel like such a newb.
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you need to convert that to obd1 unless you want to deal with the dreaded immobilizer
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you need to convert that to obd1 unless you want to deal with the dreaded immobilizer
But the car is running now (shitty) on the p13 ecu. I'm guessing jdm ecu becuase no immobilizer.
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they may have taken out from the immobilzer from that ecu perhaps
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 08:20 PM
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Default Re: WTF is going one with the h22a cb5

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they may have taken out from the immobilzer from that ecu perhaps
wouldn't doubt it. some of the screws around the cover are missing and stripped.
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You might want to ask in the prelude section for more help on this one. They are obviously using the poj to work the transmission. If this were me I would just go to obd1 p13 ecu and swap in a jdm tranny and jdm tcu that goes with the tranny. This assumes you're not in cali lol unless you got a smog hookup
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 08:27 PM
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Default Re: WTF is going one with the h22a cb5

Any one do a obd2 h22a swap into an Accord before that could shime in?

could I use the stock engine harness (If I find one from a lx) to run on the h22a and just add the vtec wires? I know i need to change the crank wires from the dizzy to the crank pulley aswell.

I will run the p13 ecu and just have my lady shift manually I guess.
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 08:28 PM
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Default Re: WTF is going one with the h22a cb5

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they may have taken out from the immobilzer from that ecu perhaps
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You might want to ask in the prelude section for more help on this one. They are obviously using the poj to work the transmission. If this were me I would just go to obd1 p13 ecu and swap in a jdm tranny and jdm tcu that goes with the tranny. This assumes you're not in cali lol unless you got a smog hookup
I'll post this in the prelude section I guess.

I'm in arizona but the smog has already been delt with
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which tranny are you using ?
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 08:46 PM
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which tranny are you using ?
I have no clue, I just bought like that. my guess is stock f22
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I guess that too since they using the poj ecu. I would think using the h22 ecu itself should work by itself, since it has no immobilizer. It might just be a wiring mixup. Are you throwing any codes ?

Obviously on obd2 h22 auto cars the tcu is built into the ecu. Is the car running fine otherwise going forward ? lol
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 09:17 PM
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no cel which is strange, there is no o2 sensor but I'm not throwing out any codes. I jump the service plug and no blinking cel either. My expiernce with that is, if there is no codes when juming the plug, then the cel light should stay on, but it doesn't.

moving forward is fine at times, when you start to move at first it kinda sputters a bit though. then at times if I punch on it, it would sputter and die like in reverse would.
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that doesn't make sense that it's running without an oxygen sensor AND not throwing a code..sounds like you got a lot of things going on with that car
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 09:51 PM
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I think they just wired crap up to get it on the road, but for $500, it wasnt a bad deal.

later on in the future, I might swap in a stock f22 and swap that h22 into either my integra or civic.
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She's a $500 back yard swap lemon. Lots of them around and even more in production as we speak. If you stick around the forum for a while it's not hard to see where they come from.

Save all of the wiring and computer complications by simply trashing the automatic transmission and dropping in a 5spd.

Who drives an H22 powered car with an automatic these days? IIRC JDM was the only market to even have the option.
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Old Apr 17, 2013 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by S!K TEG
could I use the stock engine harness (If I find one from a lx) to run on the h22a and just add the vtec wires?
Yes you can. Thats what you're suppose to do is re-use the stock Accord harness. EX, LX, or DX will work. Just add VTEC & VTEC Pressure Switch wires for the non VTEC.
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Old Apr 17, 2013 | 05:49 PM
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She's a $500 back yard swap lemon. Lots of them around and even more in production as we speak. If you stick around the forum for a while it's not hard to see where they come from.

Save all of the wiring and computer complications by simply trashing the automatic transmission and dropping in a 5spd.

Who drives an H22 powered car with an automatic these days? IIRC JDM was the only market to even have the option.
my lady still drives an automatic. lol

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Yes you can. Thats what you're suppose to do is re-use the stock Accord harness. EX, LX, or DX will work. Just add VTEC & VTEC Pressure Switch wires for the non VTEC.
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