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Old Apr 2, 2013 | 10:19 PM
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Set-up has $13K into it so not a ebay special. All CP/Eagle forged internals, Turbonetics T3/T4 & professional tune. For whatever reason the cold side turbine shattered all the wings and ground them up. I took off all the charge piping and intercooler and there's a very heavy mix of thick oil, a little water and METAL SHAVINGS all the way up into the intake/TB. Plus there's chunks of intake mesh screen in my intercooler and what appears to be long strands of fiberglass-like fibers?

How f*cked is my block? I'm pretty much freaking out.
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Old Apr 2, 2013 | 10:57 PM
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only thing you can really do is more diagnosing.I would run a compression/leakdown test. If those are good at the least I would Drain the oil, check spark plugs. The take pan off and check bearings, take head off and check cyclinder walls. its really up to you how far you take it.
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Old Apr 2, 2013 | 11:06 PM
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tear down and rebuild.

Hope that the pistons & head aren't damanged too badly
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Old Apr 2, 2013 | 11:06 PM
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Take the head off the engine to check what condition the pistons / cylinder walls are in.

Sorry about your loss.
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Old Apr 2, 2013 | 11:24 PM
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if you put that much in the turbo, tear the engine completely down and inspect everything, even if theres no damage, the block needs to be cleaned out, shavings tend to travel everywhere, possibly even into the pan through the oil return on the turbo
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Old Apr 2, 2013 | 11:29 PM
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That sucks man! Hopefully its not too damaged! Clean as much as possible and hopefully you can rebuild it.... you have the technology!
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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 04:07 AM
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Pics! That's crazy
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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 04:10 AM
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I would pull the head to evaluate the damage. The pistons may be fine, but your cylinder walls may be gouged from the shavings. The safe thing to do would be to remove the pistons and make sure all the rings are clear of debris as well.
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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 05:15 AM
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What filter did you have on the setup? Sounds like it got sucked in and ruined the turbo and went on from there. Do not crank the motor over and do compression tests etc. its best to pull it out and tear it down. Continuing to crank it over will just cause further damage. there is a chance nto everythign is damaged btu all the debris will need to be cleaned out
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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ManOverboard
For whatever reason the cold side turbine shattered
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Plus there's chunks of intake mesh screen in my intercooler
Its pretty clear what the cause is. How was the mesh screen secured? Do you have any pics of the damaged turbo?

The intercooler, piping and intake manifold should all be easy to clean. As for the engine use a borescope to inspect in the cylinders or remove the head.
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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 06:11 AM
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Hopefully the intercooler kept most of the bits from entering cylinders. If they did, I dont think anything but very small pieces would have gone though. probably worth the time to take the head off and check.
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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 03:46 PM
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Also the center nut on the cold side sheared off and was bouncing around in the filter cone, not sure if thats what chewed up the turbine wheels but sure didnt help. has like 1/8th inch of shaft play too. turbo is toasted forever as the wheel dug into the aluminum housing pretty deep. I'm going to take the head off and check her all out but I'm assuming the worst aka scrap metal. I'll be posting pics of everything tonight when I get home.
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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 06:00 PM
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As mentioned up top, I wouldnt crank or do a compression test. The issue could cascade if you do that. Remove the head and inspect everything.... hell, I'd take the motor out and put it on a motor stand.
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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 06:06 PM
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It's rare for debris to make it through the intercooler.
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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 09:39 PM
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Do not forget to check the back side of the valves for embeded shrapnel.

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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 07:35 PM
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Hard to see as it's still in the car but here's the idea.



Turbo side of intercooler piping.


TB side of intercooler. LOOK AT THE CHUNKS


Turbo side, with chewed up debris shield.


Lots of Oil/Metal in the TB
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 12:10 AM
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Check and see if the turbine side wiggles, I'm willing to bet that the shaft broke. More than likely from an oiling issue, clogged feed line, oil pump failure, etc'

So maybe the turbo failure is a result of engine trouble, as opposed to the turbo causing the issue.
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wantboost
Check and see if the turbine side wiggles, I'm willing to bet that the shaft broke. More than likely from an oiling issue, clogged feed line, oil pump failure, etc'

So maybe the turbo failure is a result of engine trouble, as opposed to the turbo causing the issue.
Did you even look at the pictures? How in the hell would screen mesh be in the Intercooler from a shaft breaking? Obviously something was sucked in while the wheel was still turning...
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 05:14 AM
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you might as well start tearing down stuff, if debris made it to the TB
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 05:19 AM
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Why does that look like the same stuff in my screen door?
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 06:35 AM
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For educational purposes Id like to see a pre destruction picture of the mesh and how it was secured. Its important to see how to avoid these things.
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 08:11 AM
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im in for a pre pic of the install. and agreed, tear down and inspect everythng.. sucks but hopefully nothing too bad got hurt inside
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 08:20 AM
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Looks like incorrect screen mesh was used and also not secured properly
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 08:35 AM
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^^ that
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 09:06 AM
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I'm going to have to agree with the people who are theorizing that mesh over the compressor inlet may be to blame. It makes sense that the screen got sucked in, grenaded the turbo, which then caused bits/oil to go to the intercooler inlet. The oil made it's way to the TB opening but I am a little confused how so much material worked its way through the intercooler and into the throttle body.

At the very least I would drain the oil, drop the pan, check the bearings, take off the head, and inspect the cylinder walls/pistons. That gives you a chance to clean out the head/intake manifold because I'm willing to bet there is debris in there too.

Sorry to hear man
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