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97 Civic HX - P2P ECU not completely plug and play

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Old Feb 4, 2013 | 09:41 PM
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I just received my P2P ECU to possible fix problems in a previous thread but it doesn't connect up all the way and was wondering if there was a way to fix this? Orginally had a P2M

Orginal thread: https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/97-hx-chassis-hx-ecu-y5-block-y8-head-y8-im-many-cel-codes-running-problems-3120544/

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Old Feb 4, 2013 | 10:16 PM
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P2P

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Why did you get a P2P?
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 02:18 AM
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Why did you get a P2P?
Edit. Never mind. Stop starting new threads. This seems to be the third one on the exact same issue.

Looks like you'll need an adapter harness?

http://hondata.com/techecuid.html

This is why I don't recommend doing these Frankenstein swaps.
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 02:22 AM
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Is that an automatic HX wiring harness in your car still?
If I were you, i'd just get the necessary tools for a chipped ECU and be done with that crap.
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 04:29 AM
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You need an OBD2A ('96 - '98) P2P or an OBD2A to OBD2B conversion harness.
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 06:41 AM
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Edit. Never mind. Stop starting new threads. This seems to be the third one on the exact same issue.
I was told to start new thread

This is why I don't recommend doing these Frankenstein swap
and I didnt know it was like this when I bought it

Is that an automatic HX wiring harness in your car still?
Yes it is
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 09:15 AM
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You need an OBD2A ('96 - '98) P2P or an OBD2A to OBD2B conversion harness.
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 11:38 AM
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Btw, the HX is a P2N.
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 11:42 AM
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Btw, the HX is a P2N.
Isn't the P2M (37820-P2M-A71) for the OBD2b 99-00 Civic HX/CVT?

If so, it looks like the many CEL codes for the OP's original set up (97 Civic HX/P2M ECU) were probably caused by an OBD2a/OBD2b incompatibility between the car and ECU.

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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Isn't the P2M (37820-P2M-A71) for the OBD2b 99-00 Civic HX/CVT?
So it is. I didn't realize the CVT version had a completely different ECU code, normally it's only the revision that changes between the automatic and 5 speed version of an ECU. My HX knowledge is a little lacking as we never had them over here.
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 12:13 PM
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So it is. I didn't realize the CVT version had a completely different ECU code, normally it's only the revision that changes between the automatic and 5 speed version of an ECU.
I only learned this^ while trying to help the OP with his earlier threads. But I think the 96-98 Civic HX/CVT uses the OBD2a P2N, whereas the 99-00 Civic HX/CVT uses the OBD2b P2M. This may have caused the many the CEL codes reported in the OP's other threads.
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
I only learned this^ while trying to help the OP with his earlier threads. But I think the 96-98 Civic HX/CVT uses the OBD2a P2N, whereas the 99-00 Civic HX/CVT uses the OBD2b P2M. This may have caused the many the CEL codes reported in the OP's other threads.
Without actually looking it up I can't see the ECU code changing, just the revision. HXs are all OBD2A including '99 - '00 models.
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 94EG8
Without actually looking it up I can't see the ECU code changing, just the revision. HXs are all OBD2A including '99 - '00 models.
IF I'm reading the service manual correctly, all 96-00 Civic HX/5-speed are OBD2a. In contrast, the 96-98 Civic HX/CVT are OBD2a whereas 99-00 Civic HX/CVT are OBD2b.
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
IF I'm reading the service manual correctly, all 96-00 Civic HX/5-speed are OBD2a. In contrast, the 96-98 Civic HX/CVT are OBD2a whereas 99-00 Civic HX/CVT are OBD2b.
Well #@%!

Why Honda, Why?!
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 94EG8
Well #@%!

Why Honda, Why?!
It sure would be interesting to have a long talk with a Honda engineer.
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
IF I'm reading the service manual correctly, all 96-00 Civic HX/5-speed are OBD2a. In contrast, the 96-98 Civic HX/CVT are OBD2a whereas 99-00 Civic HX/CVT are OBD2b.
Although as mentioned some HX info needed for certain swaps is limited I've never heard or seen this claim of OBD2A for the 96-00 HX manual.

My understanding is the change from OBD2A to 2B in 99 was a federal mandate and had nothing to do with what Honda "wanted" to do or whether it was auto or manual.

Why would a 2000 Civic HX with a manual be OBD2A when every other vehicle regardless of make, model and manufacture for the same year be OBD2B?

Would it have anything to do with the intended market/country the vehicle was intended for?

Curious. In for info
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Old Apr 17, 2013 | 05:28 PM
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Its confirmed. all 96-00 civic hx were obd2a, all 96-98 cvt were obd2a and 99-00 cvt were obd2b. In 96-98 cvt transmission control module was sitting on driver side, 99-00 cvt transmission control module was kept inside the ecu itself. I am doing a project build consisting of the d15b 3 stage vtec, somewhat similar to the hx but with wild cam vtec engaging at 5300rpm. I have to stick to auto so I've been collecting stuff here and there to make it work. So far with a regular 4speed auto I've been getting some damn good gas mileage while having fun hitting vtec as well.
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