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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 02:38 PM
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I have looked around on the forum but can't seem to find anything about my specific problem:

I drove the car in rain for the first time today and the battery light came on. It flickered a couple times but only when I was at low RPM. I took it to the auto store and they said the alternator was putting out 18V at no load and 17.9V under full load. I'm assuming some of the diodes are shot but am wondering if it could be a voltage regulator or equivalent. There is nothing even close to this condition in my Haynes manual troubleshooting section.
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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 04:11 PM
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Stop driving the car and purchase a replacement alternator and install it. Otherwise, your battery may explode and delicate electrical components will be destroyed.
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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 05:39 PM
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Going to pull the alternator tonight and see what it looks like - I have all sorts of electrical testing equipment and components. I'm just wondering if I will be able to access any of the rectifiers or even be able to replace any components individually..
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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 05:50 PM
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These diagrams may help:
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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 06:18 PM
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nice.. Sprayed all 4 of those first bolts with kroil, let it sit for a minute or so and 3 came out perfectly. The 4th snapped flush with the thread surface.

Maybe I'll just buy a new alternator. Projects like these, for this car anyway, tend to take 10x more time than I plan them to.

BTW, thanks for posting the diagram. I may still just replace the rectifier depending on how I feel tomorrow.
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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 06:33 PM
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nice.. Sprayed all 4 of those first bolts with kroil, let it sit for a minute or so and 3 came out perfectly. The 4th snapped flush with the thread surface.

Maybe I'll just buy a new alternator. Projects like these, for this car anyway, tend to take 10x more time than I plan them to.

BTW, thanks for posting the diagram. I may still just replace the rectifier depending on how I feel tomorrow.
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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 07:23 PM
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Jeez. This car is a money pit. I feel like this thing will need a new VIN number by the time I'm done replacing all the parts that keep breaking.

I noticed on my commute back from work with the battery light on that my high beam indicator stayed on and wouldn't turn off. I would flick the high/low beam switch but the high beam indicator remained ON.

Just went for a test drive with the new alternator and my headlights do not work at all: high or low beam. Running lights are good but the headlights are nonexistent. Haven't had time to look in the manual but did the excess voltage burn up the elements or is the switch bad? I plan to check the fuse first thing tomorrow..
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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 07:35 PM
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Check the switch, fuses, and bulbs.
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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 09:32 PM
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Stop driving the car and purchase a replacement alternator and install it. Otherwise, your battery may explode and delicate electrical components will be destroyed.
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Old Jan 13, 2013 | 06:03 AM
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Did some discovery this morning - So All the fuses checked out - I just did a continuity beep check on every single one of them. Not the best method as I didn't actually read the resistance for each one but it gave me the peace of mind to go onto the next step.

Unplugged this from the left headlight:

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::Shudder::

I ohmed out the headlight bulbs and found that of the 4 resistance readings I should have been able to record (left low beam, left high beam, right high beam, right low beam) there was only one reading that was not an open circuit. So one bulb is completely shot and one is half shot.

Next I left the plugs unplugged and checked for voltage. This checked out OK but I find it weird that high beam gave me a single 12v at the plug end while low beam gave two 12v reads at the plug end. But my high/low beam indicator at the dash is alternating on and off between the settings at least.

Just ordered: new bulbs, new connectors. That should remedy the headlight issue at least.
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Old Jan 13, 2013 | 11:46 AM
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Well, I pulled the headlight bulbs and both confirmed my tests I performed earlier in the day. I soldered the new connector on, replaced the headlight bulbs, and all is back to normal. Brights and dims work perfectly. Thanks for the input.

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Old Jan 13, 2013 | 11:47 AM
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There is some grease that's supposed to be applied to those connectors isn't there?
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Old Jan 13, 2013 | 11:50 AM
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Nice wire work.

Marc's idea of slapping some dielectric grease into the connector is a good idea.
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Old Jan 14, 2013 | 07:40 AM
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I didn't put any on there but I will when I get home.

I was about to create a new thread but you guys may be able to lead me in the right direction..

I put a new steering rack (new but not OEM) in the car and it makes a groaning noise when I turn the wheel initially, pretty badly. Even worse, I can "feel" the gears on the rack/pinion or either something is sticking. Running down the interstate the wheel does not feel fluid like it should. It kind-of jerks instead of turning smoothly. I will attach video to aid later on. I did try loosening and retightening the steering knuckles and that seemed to help. So it may have had side force on the rack spline for a couple miles.

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Old Jan 14, 2013 | 03:33 PM
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I never would have thought it.. Jacked the car up this evening to try and find out what was going on with the steering noise. I figured first things first: make sure all the external joints are lubricated.

I sprayed the new tie rod ends (MOOG) and ball joints with dupont silicone with teflon (supposedly lubricates/protects rubber and plastic) and it completely remedied the problem. The front end feels like a brand new car. No noise whatsoever. Apparently compressing the rubber tie rod ends against a clean metal surface wasn't such a good idea.. Or I overtorqued it, one. I usually use my torque wrench but I didn't with the front end components with cotter pins - Tightened the hell out of them and put the cotter pin in. This makes me so happy. Ready for tires and a proper tire alignment now.
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Old Jan 17, 2013 | 06:46 AM
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Well here we go again - I don't have time at work to do thorough research and was hoping you guys could lead me in the right direction..

Car has been running great. Got up this morning to start the car and it wouldn't crank. When I turn the key on, the radio starts and I get the interior lights on the dash. When I switch the ignition to engage the starter I hear a click and the interior lights go out but the radio keeps playing like nothing happened.

I rocked the ignition switch back and forth hearing only the click and tapped on the starter with the butt of a screwdriver and still nothing. The engine did not turn over whatsoever. And it appeared that there was no voltage dip when the car should have been cranking.

I appreciate all the input thus far. This car is so flipping persistent to be broken.
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Old Jan 17, 2013 | 07:03 AM
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I would check your grounds and the connection to your starter and just make sure they are clean and tight.

Is your car a manual? If so I had a similar problem on my hatch a few yrs ago and thought the starter was bad because it just wouldn't crank and it wasn't a ground problem. Come to find the safety switch when you push the clutch down had broke. As soon as I pushed that switch in the car started right up.
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Old Jan 17, 2013 | 11:21 AM
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Personally I like NEW ALTERNATOR, 12 VOLTS
I have already replaced the alternator.

The car is a manual. I am going to do some quick troubleshooting tonight to see if the starter is getting voltage. If it is then that makes the fix real simple. Otherwise I can think of half a dozen things that could be holding out the starter..
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Old Jan 17, 2013 | 02:47 PM
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Did some discovery. So the clicking I'm hearing is coming from under the hood. It is one of the three relays which would either be "Rear Window Defogger", "Heater Motor Relay", or "Cooling Fan Relay". I swapped the one that is engaging with the one that was next to it with no change.

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I checked voltage to the starter (the bolt not circled) and have voltage. When the car is turned to the crank position, I read Zero volts on the red circled bolt. If I have time tonight I'm going to look through the wiring diagrams and see where I should start. Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
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Old Jan 17, 2013 | 05:24 PM
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When the car is turned to the crank position, I read Zero volts on the red circled bolt.
Do this^ voltage test on the starter solenoid terminal directly above the circled bolt.

Did the rubber stopper fall out here:

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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 02:12 PM
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You guys are awesome.

With the clutch fully pressed with my head, I took this photo:

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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 02:33 PM
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Nice picture. Most people could not survive taking that shot.
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 06:09 PM
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Nice picture.
A lot of effort was involved.. But pictures seem to keep people interested so I do what I can.

Probably not the best fix but I just grinded the head of a bolt down smooth and put a nylock nut on the back.

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Car runs great again. Finally got to run get some fuel and check the mileage. 42.56 on my third tank.
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 06:29 PM
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Works for me.
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 07:31 PM
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Yeah once I spend a couple hours trying to figure out why my Civic wouldn't start, and it turned out to be the same thing - the friggin clutch switch wasn't being actuated.

Maybe stick some foam tape on the bolt to save the switch plastic some grief? It's like 1/8" thick, maybe less. But, that's just me, up to you.

Nice pics man!
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