When i get coil overs, I assume I absolutely need a camber kit to keep all the rubber on the ground

is there anything else required when purchasing coil overs?

 

simply answer
yes you need a wheel alignment

another question
which coilovers are you getting? full coilovers or coilover sleeves?

 

full coil overs, the suspension on my integra is shot

 

Whats you car look like? What kind of header? Are your seats minty or seen better days?

Can you afford to sink $1200 into suspension or should you spend $600 on springs & shocks?

 

Stickied thread from the suspension forum.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes-54/no-you-do-not-need-camber-kits-2614449/

 

car is in mint condition, it only has 70k on the car, it was unmolested when i bought it, but the struts are just toasted

 

We seriously need a facepalm emoticon on here, as doesn't quite cut it.

You have an Integra. Your car does NOT have struts. Half of the appeal of the car, after all these years, is that it doesn't have struts...

 

Last time I checked we still had one. Lol

 

I never claimed to be a mechanic or mechanically inclined, I even stated in the title "super noob" the fact is that I'm a driver, I have a very good reaction time and have lots of seat time, I tell my tuner what my car does, IE around turns it has lots of roll or every time I hit a bump it goes squish, etc. I know my way around a car, but by no means know anything about suspension nor do I pretend to. Came here seeking the knowledge of those smarter then I. So if I made you upset or w/e because I said strut instead of shock or whatever it is, I apologize.

 

It's an honest mistake, the word strut and shock are misused a lot, and not just by no0bs, suppliers do it also, Google integra shocks or struts and you will find...
http://m.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=304674916320188
http://www.amazon.com/Integra-KYB-Sh.../dp/B005EN5DWI and so on.

Let me ask you this..

What is the differance between a strut, a MacPherson strut, a Chapman Strut and a shock absorber? 94

 

It is rather rare to even hear mention of a Chapman strut these days, since most people would just call them a strut without regard for the differences between it and a MacPherson design.

To sum it up easily, a strut (whether Chapman or MacPherson) is a structural part of the suspension. A shock is not.

Why do enthusiasts and modifiers prefer an Integra over an RSX? Double wishbone suspension instead of struts. The RSX is safer in a crash, has more interior space, and in stock condition makes more power and gets better gas mileage (GSR compared to RSX Type-S). Unless you're racing it, it is rather foolish to choose an Integra over an RSX for any reason other than cost...

All a MacPherson strut adds to a Chapman strut is steering capability. As such, you'd have MacPherson struts up front, and Chapman struts in the rear, on a car with struts on all 4 corners.

If you really want to discuss esoteric suspension designs, my first car had a swing axle in the rear (with no roll resistance for the first 5°, thanks to the "swing spring", and non-linear spring rates with the "camber compensator" fitted) and truly gave me an appreciation for suspension designs that, well, don't suck. Axles should not be used as suspension arms (nor swaybars, for those who've driven a 70s Honda)...

 

He asked a SIMPLE question (Which was already answered) and none of your last three post helped him at all. The only thing you accomplished was to show how all mighty and smart you are.
Help him out or don't post at all.

 

All you need is an alignment. You can probably skip the camber kit, too.

 

Ok, do you want to hide the top 1 inch of your tires, within the wheel wells?
If so, you need the camber kits (front and rear) and an alignment.

If you are ok with a 2 inch air gap (between the front fenders and the top of the tire) and no air gap on the rear, then you can get away without the camber kits. However, you will still slightly wear the inner edges of your tires. Instead of your tires lasting 4 years, they will last 2 1/2 years.

I've done the no camber adjusters, but installed the rear washer trick and that did help the rear inner wear, but not the front. After 8 years of getting new tires every 2 1/2 half years, I installed camber adjusters on all four corners. They paid for themselves, by extending the life of my tires

 

Ok.

If you use the adjustable shocks sparingly, you won't need the camber kits.
If you try to hide the top of your tires, within the wheel-wells then you'll need the camber kits.

A good amount of air gap to see and not tear up the insides of your tires, too badly is 2 inches in front and 1 inch in the back. Any less gap and you'll be spending the cost of the camber kits every 2 years on new tires.

 

And this type of mis-information is why I linked to the stickied thread in the suspension forum on camber kits...

But, I'll be a little more helpful.

Integras lack adequate front suspension travel, even stock. Camber kits for the front reduce available travel, making this issue worse. On top of this, camber doesn't wear tires in an accelerated or uneven manner, assuming the driver isn't driving like an idiot (all bets are off if you like to do burn outs, activate ABS while braking hard, or initiate the "one wheel peel" going around corners). So, to add an issue (further reduced suspension travel) to fix what isn't an issue (camber), isn't exactly the best use of money.

Lowering the car changes the toe. Excessive toe eats tires. Get the car aligned after lowering and don't worry about the camber.

I managed 32k miles out of a set of Toyo Proxes 4 tires while running -4° of front camber and 0° toe, which is about the expected life span for those tires, and I drive in a manner most would consider "aggressive" 80% of the time.

 

With new tires, new shocks, and an alignment I wore out my tires, until I bought the camber adjustments.

 

Once I got my koni/GC set up with extended top hats, a full alignment was needed. Currently looking to get a camber kit to tuck my tire and to extend the life of my tires but sad thing was as soon and I dropped her, boom! I needed new axles and a rack and pinion =\\ a huge purchase but well worth it. Good luck on your build!