I made one stupid mistake that I need to ask about please. You no the bolt used to keep the balancer shaft from turning? well after i installed the timing belt and the smaller belt around the shaft I forgot to remove that bolt and tried to start the car, well the car would not start and I then remembered the bolt I used to keep the shaft from turning and took it out then.... but car still will not start.... Could I of damaged something when doing that? and also would that keep the car from starting if i was off on the balancer shaft dot that I used to put that one correct cause I had removed that balancer shaft and didnt no at the time that you even had to use a lock bolt to keep it from turning to it turned on me when that balancer shaft was removed.... so a few questions i guess that i sure would appreciate someone answering for me... thank you in advance..

 

A lot of people remove the belts to the balancer shafts for performance gains and the vehicle will still run fine. If the belt broke in there, it may be jammed up somewhere in the crank or cam pulley thus preventing the car from starting...

 

I been working on it all day... Where i had so much on my mind yesterday when i got it in time I left the bolt in the back of the balancer shaft that locks it in place when I attempted to start the car, wondering if that could of damaged something and is keeping the car from starting? and if so wonder what it could of damaged to keep the car from starting.

 

When you removed the bolt, was it still whole, or did it shear off? Is the motor actually turning over?

 

And BTW, it wouldn't [I]really[I] matter if you were off by a tooth or so...Like I said, people often times just remove the belt completely and the car runs fine. They are only there to counteract very minute vibrations.

 

yes after i removed the bolt i left in the balancer shaft the engine turned over smooth but does not even try to start and the bolt was ok not broken are anything... so really maybe none of that has to do with it starting anyways then I have no clue what it wrong... its easy to put in time...

 

Yeah, to me, it doesn't sound like it is related. Not to second guess your work, but have you double and triple checked that the cam timing is dead on?

 

Yeah, I even changed it around took the timing belt off and turned the crank a full turn and then lined up the cam again and still just turns over does not even try to fire up.. Here is how i have done it before... on the cam i have it set where the word up is at pointing upwards... on the bottom on the crank i have it where the key is pointing to the line on the engine... then to double check this time around i took out the number one spark plug to make sure the piston was up. it was... then I checked the mark on the flywheel it was pointing right at the line on the flywheel....

It was running fine till i got involved in all this mess.. do you think i could of gotten the spark plug wires on incorrectly? I could not find a diagram online for a 1992 honda accord lx to make sure... This really has me confused as to whats up.. any thoughts sure would be appreicated.. thanks

 

That's a good possibility...Look at the firing order (I can't remember what it is anymore), set #1 at top dead center, remove your distributor cap, and see if the rotor is pointing towards the number one cylinder.

 

Standing in front of car facing the engine, cylinders are in a straight line
from drivers side to passengers side 1 -2 -3 - 4

Properly installed, coil wire on distributor cap sits at about 1:00
#1 is at 3:00
#2 is at 12:00
#3 is at 6:00
#4 is at 8:00

Rough estimates on the hour positions but should help with checking the wire positions.

If you end up turning your engine by hand, don't forget that the crank must be turned counterclockwise.

 

I rechecked the spark plug wires by a diagram I found online to make sure they were correct, which I thought they were, but double checking never hurts. They were correct. I am not sure what is wrong. I redid the timing belt over and over yesterday and still just cranks over smootly but does not attempt to start at all. I have those two marks.. the left side mark and the right side mark on the camshaft in alignment with the head and the up at top....

Next i removed the distrubator cap so i could watch the rotor. then I took out the number one plug and turned the crankshaft till the mark on the crank sprocket which is the key aligned with the mark on the oil pump assembly... then i checked with long screwdriver so see if the piston was up on number 1 spark plug hole, and it was..... then checked the rotor to make sure it was aligning with the number 1 spark plug wire and it was...... Then I checked the flywheel to make sure it aligned with the line and it did.

So at time point I have no ideal how I am doing anything incorrectly... any Ideals?

 

I seem to have yet another problem now that maybe someone can help me with... when the car still would not start, I knew i had the timing belt on correctly.. well i decided to spray some starter fluid into the throttle body and it tried to start, so i figured it was out of gas and went and got some... poured it in and would not start at first so sprayed starter fluid into the throttle body again and attempted to start it after a couple tries of it trying to start it started and run great for a while.. then it died was like it speed up and slowed down and then died.. and since then have not been able to get it to start up again.

I again sprayed starter fluid into the throttle body every time i do that it tries to start till it runs out..... There is gas coming up though the lines into the injectors i tested that to be sure it was not the fuel pump... so its getting gas up to the injectors though the line but not going into the throttle body at all as far as i can tell... anyone have any item of whats up ? thank you

 

Check to see if the injectors are getting a signal.......I'd also be sure the ground on the t-stat is clean and tight.

 

THanks ... I do not know what you mean by the ground on the t-stat... what does t-stat mean and located... lol.. thanks

 

Thermostat housing......where the lower hose connects to the engine.

 

oh ok will check that out tomorrow, I just got home from working on it again... i got it started by putting heet into the throttle body ran for like 10 minutes then died again and did the same thing.... i even tapped on the fuel injectors one time and it started and again ran for about ten minutes.. then died again... did that about four times today putting heet straight into the throttle body and it ran and drove it around in there yard for like 10 minutes, ran smooth did not miss at all.. then after around that time died again and same thing like it was not getting gas though the fuel injectors, but gas is coming up to the fuel rail fine as far as i can see.

 

how else would you check to see if the injectors are getting a signal? I tried a test light to see if fire was going into the wire that goes into each injector and no fire was on it when trying to start the car... other then that Not sure how else to test the signal

 

whats got me about this car, is it ran fine never had a problem like this till i replaced the water pump, which had to remove the alternator belt.. power steering belt... timing belt.. etc... to replace it, then after that now a fuel issue.. doesn't make since when it ran without a problem with starting before, leads me to believe something is not hooked up that I had to unhook when removing the water pump, also repalced the thermostat, I noticed the ground was connected to the themostat housing when i was up at my friends house working on it yesterday, but when I go back up there I guess I will recheck it and other things before I end up having to take all the injectors off and cleaning them...

 

Need some advice... Just got home, and still same Problem. the ground at the T-stat is fine.. but i still ran another ground to that ground to make sure it was getting good ground and then tested it with a testing light to be sure it was getting good ground....

as soon as i got up to my friends house it started first try and i drove it around in his yard for like fifteen minutes and then set and let it idle for a few and then just like that it died.. and would not start back up again..

This really has me confused never seen one that would get gas up to the fuel rail just fine but not into the throttle body..

I also took all the injectors off and cleaned them, that did not help... also bought a seventy five dollar part called a fuel pressure regulator that did not help..

after so long you can get it to start back up again and sounds fine does not miss at all... but then out of no where just dies again.... any help sure would be appreicated in what would cause it to just die and not get gas again..... as far as into the throttle body.. when it dies.. i checked the fuel line going into fuel rail and it pours out of it ... and also i check the firing on the plugs and they are getting fire at the time it dies also..

this really has me stumpled sure would appreciate any assistance... thank you

 

Check for codes.

When it dies or will not start. Verify the pump runs for ~2 seconds when the key is to on, use a test light on the connector in the trunk. Also check the blk/yel wire at the dist has 12v when the key is on.

 

I was able to get it fixed today... it was a simple problem that was hard to figure out, which was you no the fuel injector resistor bolted to the frame on the drivers side, well somehow i must of snapped the connection just loose enough when removing the timing belt cover even though you could not tell it was even loose by looking at it.... today i touched the connection and was just messing with it and heard it snap and then tried to start the car and it started right away and ran it for around a hour and did not die on me.. so reckon that is all it was...lol... Thanks for your help