I was donated a poor mans GSR ITR, what parts do I have to change in order to return to an original GSR? Plese help its my first project.

 

I would assume head, cams, possibly intake manifold, and maybe ecu. But why would you want to convert it back to a regular gsr?

 

im not sure, its my first project and just thought it wouldbe better to be all stock. Is there a setup I shouldlookinto to get more power?

 

I would rip it apart and make sure everything is looking good internally, replace worn stuff and put it back together, don't go backwards if you are starting ahead.

 

Useless thread without knowing whats actually done to this motor to make it a "poorman's"...
I see it all the time, someone says they have a poormans swap, and 9 times out of 10, they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

from what i been hearing poor mans itr means - gsr with .. jdm 4-1 headers, intake manifold (p30 or itr), pistons (itr or p30 once again) and some sort of CAI or short ram .. whether these are the things on ur car or not is still to be known .. but as stated b4 why go back wen u already in the game .. just check to see whats good from not and replace all bad/worn parts ..

for me tho a poor mans ITR would also include some sort of supension work tho

 

1st there is no suspension on a motor...

Dont know why people get confused by this...

gsr/itr block = same
gsr/itr head = different
gsr/itr pistons = different

itr head is basically a factory ported b16 head w/ dual valvesprings on intake and exhaust sides w/ the larger cams.

The poor mans itr swap is...

gsr block
p73-a0/00 pistons
b16 head
p73 intake manifold
itr/ctr cams

Thats the gist of it...some people go a little further and get p73 crank, rods, and valvetrain...with those few extra parts, the motor is a itr w/out a ported head.

header and intake doesnt really apply and adding anything p30 to the motor is basically adding b16 parts, not type-r.

 

i guess i always looked on a type r as more than just an engine .. as it more than just that its a diff chasis and different suspension (correct me if im wrong) but with that being the case suspension would have to be included for me .. not just the engine works .. many type r out here that dont even have in a b18 .. alot of them are b20

plus IMO i wouldnt even bother with the b16 head as its jus gonna lower compression.. yes the flow is better but i wouldnt want to give up the higher compression for it especially once u drop in the itr pistons

 

Not true whatsoever...how do you figure that? There are a select few itr owners that have a b20. Thats actually really silly for you to believe that.

If the head is seperated from the block at some point anyways, its not hard to make up the compression with a lil milling to the head or a 2 layer head gasket. imo flow will get you further than a measly .2 higher compression. If you really want to make it back to a gsr...than cool beans. Will only make it slower. Why would you be dropping in itr pistons if you want to return it back to a gsr? And if you think its a poor mans, wouldnt it have itr pistons already? Your starting to not make sense...

 

yes this is wrong...

poormans itr = motor

type r clone = car/chassis

 

[QUOTE=JuggerNaut-CTR;48048869]Not true whatsoever...how do you figure that? There are a select few itr owners that have a b20. Thats actually really silly for you to believe that.

let me correct that in my area - the caribbean - most type r's are b20 .. its very hard to find a b18 type r .. as well as excessively expensive to get back a real type r engine in the jamaica .. much easier & cheaper to just go b20 keep the type r head and internals ..

i dont kno about the states ..

 

what? there was no b20 type r.

 

I dont see very many true itr's being in the carribean...
and if you think there are all these type-r's everywhere in jamaica w/ b20's...guess what...they probably arent real itr's
True itr owners wouldnt be swapping in b20 motors left and right...they care more than to depreciate the value to their baby like that

 

LOLOL u need to come to jamaica man we have REAL type r like water over here jus like how we have evolutions from 1 -10 over here .. the pride that many may hold in a type r overseas is not the same pride here .. i know one particular owner who has a real type r engine down to the t (b18c5 motor) all is peers thought he was crazy for spending all that money to set it back like that .. .. many n i do mean most of the other TYPE R owners ... b20 motor ..

and as far as the value of them goes.. b20 or b18c5 .. they being sold for about the same money as most of them out here in ja are so modded that owners want extra for there own ..

i wouldnt even b surprised if jamaica has more type r per capita than the states ..

and in response to kyden .. no type r dont comes b20 ..

but if the u mash up the engine in ja its cheaper to jus get a 2.0 block and drop on a R head than to go and buy back the b18c5 block ...

 

Wow...here in the states, expect to pay

b18c5/b18cr =$3500-$4200
b20 = $500-$800

 

i meant b20 itr or b18 itr car as a whole .. my mistake

the engine complete difference .. crv engine - 2.0 would sell for about 550us

the b18c1 - almost 2500us .. b18c5 call it 3300us and up ..

so hence as i said out here (3rd world economy) times kinda hard .. so ruff for a man to take up 3300us aka 300k ja for an engine .. u can buy a car for that money ..

 

so its about the same price as the states .. but we get the JDM version .. u guys get the USDM if we were to buy it from the states it would cost so much more too .. with duty and shipping all other costs to import it

 

itr head on gsr block = poor mans type r.

simple. thats how i see it. but i would NEVER do a frankenstien swap. pointless to me. i would just go with a stock motor as my platform.
if it was such a good combo, dont you think HONDA would have made the motor instead of having us mix and match heads/blocks?