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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 04:13 PM
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I have a lowered em1, she sits on the stock si wheels (15x6) with 195/50r15 instead of the oem 195/55r15, and the gap between tire and fender is approximately one finger.

So I plan on upgrading to a 16" wheel that is (16x7) which means its an inch wider.
Now my biggest concern is, is it safe to put 195/45r16 tires into the 16x7 wheels, and would it still retain the one finger gap from the fender using 195/45 over the 195/50?

edit#1: Both oem and the aftermarket wheels are +45 offset.

*Update* 205/45r16 started rubbing on my fender.
So if anyone is interested in 2x brand new Yokohama S drive 205/45r16.
Shoot me a pm

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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 04:55 PM
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What wheel are you with? Just wondering.

personaly, I would go with a 205-45-15. However you could definetly run a 195 if you want.

IIRC, for a 16'' 45 is the "correct" size.
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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 06:22 PM
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What wheel are you with? Just wondering.

personaly, I would go with a 205-45-15. However you could definetly run a 195 if you want.

IIRC, for a 16'' 45 is the "correct" size.
I was planning on going with 205/45-16 but I do not want to take the chance of dealing rubbing problems. Unless you can convince me otherwise.

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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 06:40 PM
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I'm lower than I'd like, and on 205/45/16 tires and rubbing hasn't been an issue ever.
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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Libertariat
I'm lower than I'd like, and on 205/45/16 tires and rubbing hasn't been an issue ever.
hmmm i might just take a chance and go with the 205/45/16.
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by kaison
hmmm i might just take a chance and go with the 205/45/16.
Please do, for your speedometers sake.
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 04:30 AM
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I would upgrade to the 16" wheel obviously your gonna have to get new tires put on the rims so when you take your car in they more then likely can help with all your concerns and the speedometer comment, when you upgrade bigger or down size tires they set your gages to the proper speeds for you
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 04:40 AM
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I would upgrade to the 16" wheel obviously your gonna have to get new tires put on the rims so when you take your car in they more then likely can help with all your concerns and the speedometer comment, when you upgrade bigger or down size tires they set your gages to the proper speeds for you
Honda civics do not have the equipment necessary to adjust the gauges to match the improper tire size. You would physically have to change the VSS on the transmission to get it to read properly and likely fabricate a custom gear for it.

I suppose on newer cars you could fiddle with one of the 3 of 4 computers on board, but you can't do it with Civics, period.
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 05:27 AM
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when you upgrade bigger or down size tires they set your gages to the proper speeds for you
Who is they?
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 08:20 AM
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Who is they?
Probualy talking about the tire shop adjusting his speedo. these cars don't have that ability.
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 11:14 AM
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https://honda-tech.com/tire_rim_calculator.php
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Libertariat
Please do, for your speedometers sake.
Just to make sure so you experience absolutely no rubbing problem? What about U-turns? Also can you check your car to see about how many fingers is the gap between your fender and the tire?

Originally Posted by zetroc89
I would upgrade to the 16" wheel obviously your gonna have to get new tires put on the rims so when you take your car in they more then likely can help with all your concerns and the speedometer comment, when you upgrade bigger or down size tires they set your gages to the proper speeds for you
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Probualy talking about the tire shop adjusting his speedo. these cars don't have that ability.
I honestly feel like the tire shops in my area, just want to make money slapping tires on the wheels, and could care less about the customer's problem.
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 02:54 PM
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Here's my car, no rubbing on 205/45/16







Autocross earlier this year:

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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 03:59 PM
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Thanks you have been really helpful. I'm definately gonna get the 205's.
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 05:06 PM
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It's actually a little lower that in all of those pictures. I've since added 80lbs by virtue of my swap. Had to get the toe put back where it's suppose to be.
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 05:19 PM
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*Update* 205/45r16 started rubbing on my fender.
So if anyone is interested in 2x brand new Yokohama S drive 205/45r16.
Shoot me a pm
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 06:29 PM
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How low is the car?
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kaison
*Update* 205/45r16 started rubbing on my fender.
So if anyone is interested in 2x brand new Yokohama S drive 205/45r16.
Shoot me a pm
Sounds like someone bought wheels with the wrong offset...
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TunerN00b
Sounds like someone bought wheels with the wrong offset...
Sounds like someone assumed the wrong thing, because both my oem and the new wheels are +45
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 07:38 PM
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Sounds like someone assumed the wrong thing, because both my oem and the new wheels are +45
And you also know that when you change the width, you should change the offset to accommodate the increased width?

By keeping the same offset with the wider wheels you've pushed the outside of the tire closer to the fender. And what are the tires rubbing against? The fender? I wonder how that happened...

Also sounds like someone should actually learn that "sounds like" is NOT making an assumption, but rather, is suggesting a potential situation based on what information has been presented...

However, that should be a perfectly fine offset for those wheels. Camber kit being used to reduce negative camber?
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 08:52 PM
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How low is the car?
One finger gap between tire and fender on stock si wheels.

Originally Posted by TunerN00b
And you also know that when you change the width, you should change the offset to accommodate the increased width?

By keeping the same offset with the wider wheels you've pushed the outside of the tire closer to the fender. And what are the tires rubbing against? The fender? I wonder how that happened...

Also sounds like someone should actually learn that "sounds like" is NOT making an assumption, but rather, is suggesting a potential situation based on what information has been presented...

However, that should be a perfectly fine offset for those wheels. Camber kit being used to reduce negative camber?
Initially I was planning on staying with 195 as said in first post. That is until someone suggested going 205. (No disrespect I understand that you were trying to help) The tires only rub against the fender when i'm entering/exiting a driveway.
Originally Posted by TunerN00b
Sounds like someone bought wheels with the wrong offset...
"suggesting a potential situation based on what information has been presented..."
First post i presented that both wheels are both +45
Read post #3, I was aware that it might rub if the width has increased.
Edit: Well what do you recommend boss?
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 10:06 PM
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Have you considered raising the car a little?
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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 98civdx
What wheel are you with? Just wondering.

personaly, I would go with a 205-45-15. However you could definetly run a 195 if you want.

IIRC, for a 16'' 45 is the "correct" size.
45? 45 what? The 45 is a percentage of the width in milimeters, 195/45 & 205/45s have different tire heights. In other words, the 45 is irrelevant.

And holy crap, I never knew there was a 195/45/16 tire available, that is a weird size.

Originally Posted by Libertariat
I'm lower than I'd like, and on 205/45/16 tires and rubbing hasn't been an issue ever.

Along with tire size, offset plays a fairly significant role in what rubs and what doesn't.
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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 98civdx
Have you considered raising the car a little?
Yes I have, and am actually looking into coilover right now. Just debating eibach or skunk2.


Originally Posted by slomofo
45? 45 what? The 45 is a percentage of the width in milimeters, 195/45 & 205/45s have different tire heights. In other words, the 45 is irrelevant.

And holy crap, I never knew there was a 195/45/16 tire available, that is a weird size.




Along with tire size, offset plays a fairly significant role in what rubs and what doesn't.
So i take it his offsets were lower than mine =/
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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 04:14 PM
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Forget Skunk2. Take a look a Koni/gc.
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