So my question to the community is, i drive a 94 accord ex, i beg,borrow,stole a prelude trans dont remember which 1 dont think its atts trans, but anyway will my accord axles fit the prelude trans or should i get the prelude axles? I work for an auto parts store and measures specs on both, seems thhe prelude shafts are gonna be the requirement, but they are shorter , wwhich seems like it would be a problem. help please

 

prelude axles match the width of the prelude body, while accord axles match the width of the accord body. Externally accord and prelude transmissions are identical.
you will also need a halfshaft which you wont find at the parts store. get that from a junkyard accord 5 spd).

 

Prelude H series axles are strong as ****. I haven't broke one yet, and have disintegrated over 20 trannys.


Just use the half shaft too and youre G2G

 

accord ones are just as strong....they are also made to meet the h22 spec possibly in a heavier sedan as well so they could be potentially stronger the prelude ones.

 

No. They're NOT just as strong. "Potentially" or otherwise. You are wrong. Fact. Period. How much power do you make and how many have you tried???

How many have you had apart to compare? I've never ever broke a (OEM) H axle. We've broke a number of (OEM) F axles making less power in lighter cars than mine... Put in H axles and never had another issue. I wouldn't even put one ( An F axle) in. I suggest you take the inner CV apart and take a look. The AXLE is the same diameter...Thatsa where any similarityh ends. The CVs are a whole 'nother ball game

The H axle is stronger. From firsthand experience.


Thank you.



OP: Either will work fine for what youre doing, just use the corresponding mid shaft ;O)

 

I thought the Preludes used a larger stub axle at the hub interface. Thus you could not use a Prelude axle on an otherwise stock Accord, and vice versa. Unless the upright and hub/bearing assembly from the Prelude was installed on an Accord, and vice versa.

I do know that the Accord/Prelude/Ody transmission are externally dimensionally the same.

 

I had issues with one side (cant remember which) with the outer circumference of the CV hitting the Accord hub bolts... The accord had some 12 mm in one side (That it hit) and 12 pt 10MM in the other ( that was fine) I said **** it and ground the heads down to clear the lude hubs.

Ive also had 1 (Lude) axle that the splines were "too short" it was on the pass side. I put a grade 8 washer about 3-4 mils thick under the nut. Never an issue.


Now, for a 300 WHP setup not neccessary, as mentioned my shitbox makes alot of power and gets the **** beat out of it. It was worth it, for me.

I have a car putting close to 600 Wheel TQ out. Saved me from having to buy 1000+ dollar axles for it. Ive NEVER broken one.

 

That must be what I am thinking of. The stub axle is longer on the Prelude compared to the Accord.
I thought it was a larger diameter(higher spline count) stub axle.

 

Negative, its the same splining, and its wierd.. I only had 1 like that.... I do NOT have the washer/spacer on it currently.

LOL

 

So in the end i could use either lude or accord shafts as long as i use the corresponding intermediate shaft, correct? The different length will not bother the trans or wheels either way, because in my mind if u had shorter axles(lude) it would try to pull out of the trans or the wheels? any thoughts....would it toe in any?

 

I already told you ive been doing it for 6 years with alot of power and 0 issue

 

K thanx bro I appreciate u, I need to go and get some lude components I guess

 

i cant speak for 700 whp cars...but please, do provide some details about where when and how the axles broke. if Honda (who have more engineers than you and me combined) felt the accord axles were NOT good enough they would have not put them in the h22 accords all around the world.

its funny that i have seen multiple lude axles broken on transmission swapped cars due to binding. I might be due to the cars being lowered or improper engine alignment, but every one of them resolved their problems going to an axle that was the correct length for their car.

also according to the Helm manual :
4th gen lude 60 inches
5th gen lude 60 inches
4th gen accord 58.1
5th gen accord 59.6

 

Why?

They broke on a car making 550. If I never. EVER had an issue running Lude axles in my car (quirks getting them to work denoted earlier ) Why would I put an Accord axle in it after them breaking (More than once, inners) in a car making 200 WHP and 150 FT LB tq less in a car that doesn't hook as good... (The proper one for the chassis) That would be retarded. The Car Im referring to is a CB7 so the lude axles were too long, and would "bind as you said (And denoted above)... They WONT in a CD chassis. PERIOD. We took the CVs of a lude and put them on a set of accord axle shafts and he hasnt broken one since. He was breaking the inner CVs. NOT the shafts... The SHAFTS are the same diameter. The inner CVs are different.


Think about it. You said it yourself, you cant speak about experience from 700+whp cars. I can

IF they are "binding" youre talking about the CB chassis. Theyre too long for it (As noted by your Helms reference). This discussion (as far as I am aware) is about a CD chassis. Theyre in my car, right now and have been since day 1 of the swap. The car has never made less than 520 on pump, 600 on meth (Which its on 90 percent of the time) and 759 on C16 (The other 10 percent)

See sig for tq numbers.

I dont understand what you dont understand... They work, and dont break. IVE SEEN firsthand the CB7 axles break. F series axlels are weaker than the H. Period.

Binding is another ball game. Were not talking about that, thats a no brainer. Since its NOT an issue with this application I dont get why youd even bring it up.


Side note. Ive blown up over 20 OEM trannys (2nd 3rd and fourth gearsets, and a couple final drives) and broke a prototype straightcut sets 3rd and 4th gearset due to how hard my car hooks compounded by its weight and tq (power). Thankfully that was in the name of progress and R&D and the new sets are awesome as a result, but still. Not 1 OEM lude axle has so much as developed a click in it. The only time Ive ever changed one was when im too lazy to fix a boot getitng fucked up. Ive had less than 3 "sets" in the car in 7 years. Roughly 200 dollars worth of Lude axles. Whos winning? I AM LOL

Theres no one oin this board that has had the H tranny issues I have in an Accord. in like 05 when I was on here asking what the **** to do... No one had an answer. I had to come up with my own... I MIGHT be onto something ;O)

IF you dont believe this, you should mosey over to the Tranny section and check out my trans build thats working. You probably wouldnt believe I have the clusterfuck of **** in it that I do and it works either ;O)

 

Oh no, what have i started? everybody chill, thanx for all the input though its rather entertaining, but even more informative

 

No animosity meant. At all. Just puttin accurate and correct info out there from 1st hand experience...


Not everyone has went through all the **** I have in the CD chassis. In fact, no one that I know of.

 

all i was asking was HOW and WHERE they broke. You have made it abundantly CLEAR they broke. so you can be a dick, or you can actually provide some detail so that others can LEARN. thats what forums are for. I always question everything because when some just says "they suck and they brake" that doesn't mean ****.

now if they say...I had the outer joitns fail, because it appears that the axle shaft was a bit too short causing the bearing to pull apart....or I have had the tripod on the inner cup fail multiple times when using brand new OEM axles when doing drag launches...or perhaps i had the cheap autozone remans blow up on my repeatedly while street racing etc...that's actually helpful information rather than "I know because i have an awesome car!"

if the shaft itself broke, is the prelude one a larger diameter than the accord one? If the tripod broke or the bearings failed have you compared the prelude ones to the accord ones? or did you just learn from blindly changing parts and hoping for the best?



btw i am pretty confident the OP is NOT driving a 500+whp car.

 

Every question you've asked has been answered twice. I'm done repeating myself.

Dick, or not.

 

My only question - Is the car sill red?

Good to see you around again , take care.