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Old Sep 3, 2012 | 08:54 PM
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http://www.racelandus.com/coilovers/...lover-kit.html

I know they are priced cheap but just wondering of the quality and ride. One thing that I don't like is the spring rate.
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Old Sep 3, 2012 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jdmem205
http://www.racelandus.com/coilovers/...lover-kit.html

I know they are priced cheap but just wondering of the quality and ride. One thing that I don't like is the spring rate.
mmm... It's not the spring rates I'd worry about so much... But the fact they are progressive springs..

If your looking for a preformance upgrade I would say no way... If your looking for a slightly improved OEM replacement then why not.
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 03:47 AM
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Search. They've been discussed in this forum plenty.
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 04:05 AM
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Eugh, again?

Question for the OP. Do you think you've just found a product no-one else has heard of?

If yes - Really?
If no - Why didn't you search?
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Komodo
Eugh, again?

Question for the OP. Do you think you've just found a product no-one else has heard of?

If yes - Really?
If no - Why didn't you search?
BUT $369?!?!

seriously though.. some things are so cheap it scares me. i had to buy a textbook the other day. listings started at $0.04 and went up to new for $80. i bought one that was $11 bucks just to be on the safe side. just afraid that my $0.04 + $3.99 would deliver me a few pages of a random textbook.

EDIT: (from racelands warranty page regarding their 2-year warranty)
Originally Posted by raceland
The warranty does not cover products subjected to the following: accidents of any kind, negligence, alterations, abuse, improper installation, or high stress driving of any kind. Automobile racing and other forms of motor sports are very dangerous and products are subject to failure when exposed to the high stress involved.
idk if you guys know this.. but it could definitely be assumed that a street driven car's springs and dampers take the brunt of the abuse. a track cars brakes could easily be said to take more "abuse," but a street car is absolutely subject to more "abuse"

i'm sure koni's warranty page has something similar, but they will stand behind their shocks for a lifetime. for not much more $ than the racelands for 4 shocks.

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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 10:42 AM
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A suspension part that cannot handle "high" stress? It's a ******* suspension part!
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 11:00 AM
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why do you think all the hardparkers with slammed cars love them?
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 11:10 AM
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A suspension part that cannot handle "high" stress? It's a ******* suspension part!
Exactly! I seriously lol'd when i read your post.

Originally Posted by doood
why do you think all the hardparkers with slammed cars love them?
now i know. lmao.
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 11:28 AM
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I actually just put a set of these on my girls EM2 Saturday. Surprisingly they ride pretty decent. There's not much of a change in ride comfort from stock. Handles alright for the most part. Her struts were blown so we bought these instead of going with OEM parts again being she wanted to lower it anyways. For the price you really cant beat it.
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 11:36 AM
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not to mention they come with a 2 year warranty.
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 12:09 PM
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How well they honor that warranty is another question
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 01:58 PM
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^^Guess I'll find out. lol
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 02:28 PM
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How well they honor that warranty is another question
well you buy them "right from the manufacturer" so they can't tell you to send your blown shocks to whatever retailer you bought.

wasn't it kyb that did that to a guy on here just last week or so?
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 05:47 PM
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Some people post useless posts. Just hit the back button and go troll somewhere else. And I actually try to look for reviews but I don't care into looking past the second page of searching. No I know I'm not the first one to find these did I say that? Hell I just discovered YouTube and found a video on these being put on an rsx which is not my car.

Thanks for that warranty post. I knew they had 2 year warranty but that's stupid on their part with the warnings.

Now I'm shopping around for suspension stuff and just curious to see if people tried these etc. Yes I don't like that they are progressive. I'm not tracking my car nor is it going to be a weekend warrior.

I'm just going with progress with some lcas(for eye candy) and some trailing arm bushings.
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by solbrothers
why not put that bushing and LCA money towards koni/gc?
A legitimate suggestion... a used set of koni/gc is better than a lot of other setups new for the same price.

Good luck with whatever you end up doing.
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Old Sep 5, 2012 | 04:00 AM
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Don't get me wrong the koni and ground control set up is awesome it was my first choice. Bushings I'm looking would be an upgrade since the oem ones are 18 years old. I might not do the rear lcas since I think bushings for that are cheaper. So in the end its between progress coilovers or koni/gc. In my eyes both are awesome but as everything else each has pro n cons.

And I created this thread to have peer reviews on these specific coilovers on the civic chassis
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The peer review is to save your money and buy something that you can live and grow with. Even if you get these cheap coilovers and they aren't that bad, in a year or two you'll you'll most likely decide that you'd like to have something better. Now you've spent $369 more than if you just did it right the first time. Fact is, you don't need to lower your car, so there is no reason to be in such a hurry and no reason to skimp so you can have it done next week.

Here's some food for thought on Progress vs. Koni/GC. The Progress CS-II are a great value, but with a couple of caveats. I don't know if you are planning on riding super low with them, but they are not designed for it. The off the shelf srping rates are relatively soft with them too, so even if you ignore their advice and go low anyway, you're going to be real unhappy with the ride. You can get higher spring rates from Progress, but they will charge you extra and that brings them up in the price range. Another thing to consider is that, if you decide to get a little more serious in the future, the Koni/GC setup will give you a little more room to grow. The ots Koni Sports are good up to around 600lbf/in iirc (which is the most you should reasonably be running on the street in a dwb Civic/Integra), with more capacity if you get into something along the lines of an sp3 or one of the other custom valvings. You can pick up used 2.5" springs in the classifieds here, or especially in circle track and road race forums elsewhere, making it real easy to swap rates as needed. In short, the Koni/GC setup is a better value because its something that you can keep with you, and even take along with you to another car should you decide to do so.
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Old Sep 5, 2012 | 08:21 AM
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^^^ now don't take this the wrong way but the first part of your post is more like an opinion. But I do respect as I have the same views. I never had the thought of getting these unless they were amazing and even then I didn't like their spring rates.

Yes I know progress aren't meant for the lowriders but I'm not planning to dump the car unless I'm at a show and the car is going to be parked. For daily use I like a good drop with either half a finger to a whole finger wheel gap.

I can get the koni and ground control setup with custom rates for $650 using stock tophats. Which is only $50 more then the ots progress setup. The rates I plan on going with are (400/400). Once again I'm not tracking this car but I hate bottoming out and is why I opted with this stiffness. My tires will also be 195/55/15.
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Old Sep 5, 2012 | 10:23 AM
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You can go softer in the rear (400lbs/in is a little stiff). The rear has more to do with harshness than front rates. You can easily get away with a 300 lb/in or 350lb/in rate in the rear to keep the car more liveable. I am running 450F/350R on my Koni/GC setup and I love it. I know harshness is subjective but that's just my $0.02.

Also if the car is just your DD and you don't want a huge drop or anything, go with the Progress and put the money you save towards bushings. Just remember that if you do go with the Progress coilovers, don't expect to slam your car. A one finger gap is a pretty significant drop, dunno if that is recommended with the CSII's but I'm sure someone more knowledgable about them will chime in.
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Originally Posted by jdmem205
^^^ now don't take this the wrong way but the first part of your post is more like an opinion. But I do respect as I have the same views. I never had the thought of getting these unless they were amazing and even then I didn't like their spring rates.
It absolutely was opinion. But it's an opinion based on having been there, done that before. Maybe not with this product in particular, but I think I've done enough time that I can offer some educated advice from time to time

The point of the first part was this: If something isn't exactly what you want, don't get it. You'll just end up spending twice as much money when you have to replace it with what you wanted in the first place.
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i've always wondered why i can't find a review for any of these off-brand suspensions, say, after a year of having them installed on the car?

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Originally Posted by solbrothers
because they crash and die
(Feeds the troll so it will go away....)
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Ehh, Sol is entertaining.
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Old Sep 5, 2012 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tron_
You can go softer in the rear (400lbs/in is a little stiff). The rear has more to do with harshness than front rates. You can easily get away with a 300 lb/in or 350lb/in rate in the rear to keep the car more liveable. I am running 450F/350R on my Koni/GC setup and I love it. I know harshness is subjective but that's just my $0.02.

Also if the car is just your DD and you don't want a huge drop or anything, go with the Progress and put the money you save towards bushings. Just remember that if you do go with the Progress coilovers, don't expect to slam your car. A one finger gap is a pretty significant drop, dunno if that is recommended with the CSII's but I'm sure someone more knowledgable about them will chime in.
I wouldnt think a one finger gap would be a significant drop. But yea the price difference of the koni/gc set up and progress is only $50 so I'll just go with koni and have it there already if I ever super low or take the car to the track.
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