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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 12:29 PM
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got tuned. dissapointed compared to what ive read similar set ups make. wondering if another tuner would change the numbers
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 12:31 PM
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got tuned. dissapointed compared to what ive read similar set ups make. wondering if another tuner would change the numbers
Some details could go a long way
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 12:46 PM
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jdm sir2 motor
310lph fp
550cc injectors
turbo = garett t3 60/.63
blox manifold
custom dp
no name external wg
cx racing ic + bov

230whp @ 8psi (almost 7 by redline)

was expecting numbers closer to 250-260
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 01:18 PM
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Why such a big fp
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by vtak2nr
got tuned. disappointing compared to what iv read similar set ups make. wondering if another tuner would change the numbers

Originally Posted by vtak2nr
jdm sir2 motor
310lph fp
550cc injectors
turbo = garett t3 60/.63
blox manifold
custom dp
no name external wg
cx racing ic + bov

230whp @ 8psi (almost 7 by redline)

was expecting numbers closer to 250-260
depends on what kind of tuning the tuner will do and what dyno is used. one tuner will net you peak hp and others will focus more on part throttle tuning. your number sounds good! at 230whp on a roller dyno your numbers are close to 280-290hp on a dyna pack hub dyno
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 02:22 PM
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Sound good to me too.
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 02:31 PM
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Tuners majority know the AFR's to shoot for and typically know what type of ignition to shoot for. There's alot that goes into a tuning a car, some tuners like a leaner AFR some like a richer, depending on experiences they've had with past setups and with past customers. Some tuners read plugs, some dont..there's alot of different ways to tune a car.

Another thing to take into consideration is all setups are different. Take it to the track and see what it traps. I recently tuned a b16a2 on 8psi, made alittle over 200whp, stock cat, stock everything else except injectors and the greddy kit. Ran good, idled good, and provided good useable street power.

There's alot you can do to make more power on your setup though, Better cams, better manifold, open DP probably would add a ton of power.
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 03:56 PM
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im sure that turbo is quite laggy..

if it were me, id do a 50 trim to start your power band sooner
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 05:15 PM
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find out which dyno reads the highest in your area. problem solved.
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by vtak2nr
got tuned. dissapointed compared to what ive read similar set ups make. wondering if another tuner would change the numbers
dam dude and how much did you spend for this tuning?!

i honestly despise most tuners with shops and dynos cuz just like someone said they either focus for peak hp or part throttle. and too be honest i would prefer part throttle over peak power. its either ur car is fast when your full throttle and pinges, bogs, idles like ****, and just plain pisses you off or it will run smoothly but will bog in higher rpms, and on top of that they never tune for fuel mileage.

you gota remember unless its a full purpose car, that your gonna be driving this car everyday or at least i do like a 100miles and that fuel mileage is extremely important.

so thats why you invest in a aem uego wideband gauge, mount it on your steering wheel column. spend the money for hondata and do lots of research and trial and error and you will surely learn to tune your own car and in the end save a boat load of money
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 06:50 PM
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is it a straight t3? based on your post i'd say so... since a t04e won't have boost dropoff whatsoever.
so thats about right for a straight 60 trim t3... you'll only see 300hp max out of that turbo so your numbers are right inline with what other people make on that turbo
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Gsrsi
Why such a big fp
The fp i originally brought didnt fit and the shop had one laying around

Originally Posted by wunfstgsr
depends on what kind of tuning the tuner will do and what dyno is used. one tuner will net you peak hp and others will focus more on part throttle tuning. your number sounds good! at 230whp on a roller dyno your numbers are close to 280-290hp on a dyna pack hub dyno
This was in a dynapack
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Tuners majority know the AFR's to shoot for and typically know what type of ignition to shoot for. There's alot that goes into a tuning a car, some tuners like a leaner AFR some like a richer, depending on experiences they've had with past setups and with past customers. Some tuners read plugs, some dont..there's alot of different ways to tune a car.

Another thing to take into consideration is all setups are different. Take it to the track and see what it traps. I recently tuned a b16a2 on 8psi, made alittle over 200whp, stock cat, stock everything else except injectors and the greddy kit. Ran good, idled good, and provided good useable street power.

There's alot you can do to make more power on your setup though, Better cams, better manifold, open DP probably would add a ton of power.
Took it to the track tonight. Did 14.2 at 103mph. 1st n 2nd gear is spin city(only did a single run)
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dam dude and how much did you spend for this tuning?!

i honestly despise most tuners with shops and dynos cuz just like someone said they either focus for peak hp or part throttle. and too be honest i would prefer part throttle over peak power. its either ur car is fast when your full throttle and pinges, bogs, idles like ****, and just plain pisses you off or it will run smoothly but will bog in higher rpms, and on top of that they never tune for fuel mileage.

you gota remember unless its a full purpose car, that your gonna be driving this car everyday or at least i do like a 100miles and that fuel mileage is extremely important.

so thats why you invest in a aem uego wideband gauge, mount it on your steering wheel column. spend the money for hondata and do lots of research and trial and error and you will surely learn to tune your own car and in the end save a boat load of money
I have an aem wideband and its tuned on s100

Anyways if you guys are saying its normal i guess its fine till i up
The psi :D
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 07:58 PM
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don't expect much, that turbo will only flow enough for 300 crank hp... so you're about at its limit anyways
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by vtak2nr

This was in a dynapack
Well then it shouldn't read 230 WHP! so your saying you got 230 HP! cause that's seems low! but then again its a b16 and every motor is different. and your location effects the tune like altitude and stuff like that.
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It was already said. If that's a straight T3 those numbers are about right. Saw a type r on a similar turbo put down 215 @ 8 psi on a dynojet. If you want more power your gonna have to run more boost. Dont get Hung up on the psi. If you want 250 then go for it. With a good tuner this shouldnt be a problem. Also any good tuner should make sure you have good partial throttle.....
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Old Aug 29, 2012 | 04:34 AM
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I don't know whether to attempt to explain how many things are terrible in this thread, or to light it on fire.
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Old Aug 29, 2012 | 05:18 AM
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I don't know whether to attempt to explain how many things are terrible in this thread, or to light it on fire.
Light it on fire
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Old Aug 29, 2012 | 06:48 AM
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I don't know whether to attempt to explain how many things are terrible in this thread, or to light it on fire.
light it on fire. reading some of the replies are facepalm worthy.
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Old Aug 29, 2012 | 07:41 AM
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*shrug*.. sometimes its over people's head...

sometimes people just dont need to know how much work actually goes into it.
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Old Aug 29, 2012 | 07:54 AM
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Find someone with a 250whp+ B16 using a t3/t4 and examine his times (aka race him). Chances are your 230whp t3 will rip apart someone with a 250whp 57trim. If not there's something wrong with your parts, not your tuner.

Side note, my d16 coupe has nearly the same turbo, 8:1 compression, and a dx trans - I did 14.1@102 with 6yr old street tires. I'd vote there's something fishy about your setup.
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his setup is more of a street oriented setup... I bet the straight t3 is a fun street turbo... doesn't make a ton of power but I bet it's got a really decent powerband.

Reading some of these replies just makes my shake my head lol
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Just to clarify, when I said any good tuners should make sure you should have good partial throttle I did not mean thats all he should worry about.
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Originally Posted by HiProfile
Find someone with a 250whp+ B16 using a t3/t4 and examine his times (aka race him). Chances are your 230whp t3 will rip apart someone with a 250whp 57trim. If not there's something wrong with your parts, not your tuner.

Side note, my d16 coupe has nearly the same turbo, 8:1 compression, and a dx trans - I did 14.1@102 with 6yr old street tires. I'd vote there's something fishy about your setup.
ya wierd....my friend had his built k24/k20 rsx tuned by same tuner aswell. made 275whp and we were running similar times at the track...as well as a 250whp jetta (they both did 13.9@106)
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Old Aug 29, 2012 | 11:13 AM
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seems like your tuner cant break 300 lol
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just turn your distributor towards the fire wall.. problem solved.
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