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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 01:27 PM
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Hi everyone ive made a few threads on here about my suspension problems.
I thought I had everything figured out with my configuratuion, everything was workingfine...
Untill I noticed my car wasn't taking bumps as smoothly as before.
I checked the back and my left shock was leaking oil, and the back right one as well!

My configuration was Ground Controls with 450/350 custom spring rates, on KYB AGX's.
I have no idea why they blew, all I know is im ready to throw in the towel and just buy stock struts.


Unless I could find a better, more durable shock that wont blow, any suggestions??
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 12:19 AM
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Kyb has warranty, unless you dumped your car
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 04:08 AM
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Did you slam the car? Maybe you should get shocks that can handle immense drops. I don't think those KYBs can handle even mild drops. Your blown shocks seem to support that hypothesis. Maybe shocks like the Konis you should have gotten in the first place. You did read that in the sticky on suspension choices about them being the preferred combo didn't you? And you're talking about putting STOCK shocks back on?
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 04:44 AM
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The KYB's were purchased from summit racing and they told me the warranty is voided for not using them for stock height.

No not slammed, there is a gap bout two finger gap between tire and fender.
I must of missed that part about the right shocks, I was so worried about the coil overs/ springs that I forgot about them
What Koni shock would you recommend?
I drive mainly in Eastern Oregon and Washington, bad roads, if you live around here.
I want my new shocks to last and be durable.
Thank you.
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 06:39 AM
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Don't think you can go the Koni route as they make Ground Control specific sleeves for them. Unless you can find the mythical adapter to run them you may need to get something like Tokico Illuminas.
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 09:12 AM
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You can run konis on oem-intended gc sleeves. It's just not the ideal way to do things.

Op, you are running bumpstops, correct?
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 09:25 AM
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Op, you are running bumpstops, correct?
This was the very first thing I thought of.
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MonkeyMagic
You can run konis on oem-intended gc sleeves. It's just not the ideal way to do things.

Op, you are running bumpstops, correct?
You know I thought that too but the last time I mentioned it I got called all sorts of wrong.
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 09:38 AM
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I thought you only needed the koni specific sleeves if you want to omit the oe style perch and run them on the circlip.
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 11:49 AM
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I do have the bumpstops on, I think like a quarter was removed off them for the installation.
Would Tokico Illuminas be a good alternative then? Since there is no adapter :/

I dont have oem gc sleaves thought, they are for my KYB's
This sucks lol..
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 12:25 PM
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Did you try even contacting kyb?
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by STOCK_SOHC_DX
Did you try even contacting kyb?
Yes they said to contact summit.
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 02:47 PM
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You know I thought that too but the last time I mentioned it I got called all sorts of wrong.
yup.. the suspension snobs will call blashemy.. and maybe, possibly other makes/models the set up doesn't work, but this:

Originally Posted by spAdam
I thought you only needed the koni specific sleeves if you want to omit the oe style perch and run them on the circlip.
is absolute fact for civic/integras.

...as long as you use a fat upper o-ring (or use a doubled-over oil-filter cartridge o-ring like i did) to stabilize the stock/kyb sleeve on the shock, you won't have a problem.

i think a lot of people must just allow the sleeve to lay on there crooked, which would def cause all sorts of problems.

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I do have the bumpstops on, I think like a quarter was removed off them for the installation.
Would Tokico Illuminas be a good alternative then? Since there is no adapter :/

I dont have oem gc sleaves thought, they are for my KYB's
This sucks lol..
only a quarter removed? from the small end right? only way any shock should blow out is the internal valving contacting the bottom of the tube, awful side-loading, or some shocks may succumb to dirt around the seals. but either situation would be pretty hard to accomplish.. unless the shock bottoms out before you even hit the bump stop? take them off and push the shaft down on the shock that seemed in better shape and see how far it goes. let us know. i'm interested if they bottom out before the rest of the suspension does.

i've heard a few good things about tokico here and there.. but the price difference is almost negligible to just go ahead with the koni shocks. oh and..

<wishes i had koni-intended gc sleeves on my koni's. but to get the sleeves from gc, you have to send them proof of purchase and all this nonsense to buy the sleeves. f that. what a hassle.

Originally Posted by agustintorre
Yes they said to contact summit.
idk all the details but that kind of sounds like a company which doesn't stand behind it's products?
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 03:12 PM
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Ehh, most large manufacturers require that warranty claims go through the dealer/retailer. Annoying but fact.

You don't take your car to Honda for warranty work, you take it to the dealer... Who then bills Honda for the job.
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Old Aug 30, 2012 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MonkeyMagic
yup.. the suspension snobs will call blashemy.. and maybe, possibly other makes/models the set up doesn't work, but this:



is absolute fact for civic/integras.

...as long as you use a fat upper o-ring (or use a doubled-over oil-filter cartridge o-ring like i did) to stabilize the stock/kyb sleeve on the shock, you won't have a problem.

i think a lot of people must just allow the sleeve to lay on there crooked, which would def cause all sorts of problems.



only a quarter removed? from the small end right? only way any shock should blow out is the internal valving contacting the bottom of the tube, awful side-loading, or some shocks may succumb to dirt around the seals. but either situation would be pretty hard to accomplish.. unless the shock bottoms out before you even hit the bump stop? take them off and push the shaft down on the shock that seemed in better shape and see how far it goes. let us know. i'm interested if they bottom out before the rest of the suspension does.

i've heard a few good things about tokico here and there.. but the price difference is almost negligible to just go ahead with the koni shocks. oh and..

<wishes i had koni-intended gc sleeves on my koni's. but to get the sleeves from gc, you have to send them proof of purchase and all this nonsense to buy the sleeves. f that. what a hassle.



idk all the details but that kind of sounds like a company which doesn't stand behind it's products?
sorry I took so long to respond everyone, I been real busy with and and just thinking that I want to buy a new car...
But im thinking and my ciciv still runs real damn good!
I dont really want to remove the shocks with out my freinds help, he helped me do it and knows how to install them more than I.

Im confused, witch would fit my gc's, the tokico's, or koni's fit?
Thanks for all the insight.
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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 10:18 AM
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bump plz!
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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 10:23 AM
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Your current sleeves should fit on most dampers that retain a stock style lower perch.
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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 11:30 AM
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Ok that sounds great!
Now which shock would you recommend, the tokico's, or koni's?
Thanks for your help.
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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 11:40 AM
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Even though I had a pretty good experience with the tokico illuminas years ago, I would still recommend koni sports (yellow) over them. What rates are your springs?

Edit: I see now 450/350. The off the shelf yellows should be nice.
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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spAdam
Even though I had a pretty good experience with the tokico illuminas years ago, I would still recommend koni sports (yellow) over them. What rates are your springs?

Edit: I see now 450/350. The off the shelf yellows should be nice.
Ok I will give them a go.
Im planning on keeping the agx's on the front of the car since they seem to be fine still.
Would that coz any problem, if I just replace the rear shocks with Koni's and keep the kyb's in the front?
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