1st aluminum rollcage I have ever seen , pikes peak car

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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 06:12 AM
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Seems like a really bad idea


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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 02:41 PM
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If it is built correctly, aluminum can be just as strong as any other material. Just needs to have a different geometry and supported differently. Must suck like hell to weld though.
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 02:58 PM
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if they make it, pretty sure they proved it.
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 02:21 PM
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i don't see the issue. It has twice as many cross braces as a similar steel cage, but with less weight. Seems like a win win. It also doesn't need painted, which can add some weight
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 05:49 PM
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It's Monster Tajima... I wouldn't worry about his methods haha. He continually beats the PPHC record.
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 07:08 PM
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Electric car?
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 10:13 PM
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Default Re: 1st aluminum rollcage I have ever seen , pikes peak car

Originally Posted by SovXietday
If it is built correctly, aluminum can be just as strong as any other material. Just needs to have a different geometry and supported differently.
No.

Alum will never be just as strong as steel.
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 08:24 AM
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No.

Alum will never be just as strong as steel.
Maybe as far as compression strength and tensile strength but comparing one frame to another, with all the extra cross braces, I'm pretty sure it will be just as strong. Not to mention that if this car is wrecked, they can just build a new one. Not like your daily driver where if you wreck it you are going to be pulling dents out
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 09:01 AM
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Maybe as far as compression strength and tensile strength but comparing one frame to another, with all the extra cross braces, I'm pretty sure it will be just as strong. Not to mention that if this car is wrecked, they can just build a new one. Not like your daily driver where if you wreck it you are going to be pulling dents out

His car is faster than this car...I don't see that aluminum cage helping in a crash like this

https://honda-tech.com/forums/welding-fabrication-53/jeremy-foley-crash-cage-pics-3080691/
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 08:15 PM
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holy jeez. I didn't realize those were the potential crashes....... I still think aluminum would be just as strong as steel, but man that crash makes me nervous about anything
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Old Aug 17, 2012 | 05:04 PM
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Porsche ran an aluminum cage back in the day before the majority of sanctioning bodies outlawed them
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Old Aug 17, 2012 | 06:08 PM
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I heard Boeing, Lockheed, and Airbus use aluminum. They may change their minds after reading this thread.
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Old Aug 17, 2012 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by c jackson
No.

Alum will never be just as strong as steel.
Comparing just the material no, but a structure yes.
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Old Aug 18, 2012 | 01:04 AM
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AL cages are common in Japan. Just look at their time attack cars
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Old Aug 18, 2012 | 03:22 AM
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^The hit in a TT race is going to be much different than a Pikes Peak car, I'm sure it's an alloy which is stronger than steel. Nobody is going to use pure aluminum to make a cage for a Pikes Peak car.
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Old Aug 18, 2012 | 09:03 AM
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Default Re: 1st aluminum rollcage I have ever seen , pikes peak car

Originally Posted by Jimmy21
Maybe as far as compression strength and tensile strength but comparing one frame to another, with all the extra cross braces, I'm pretty sure it will be just as strong. Not to mention that if this car is wrecked, they can just build a new one. Not like your daily driver where if you wreck it you are going to be pulling dents out
Also people are ignoring tubing thickness. It's not like cages are solid 4130.
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AL cages are common in Japan. Just look at their time attack cars
So are Cusco cages. Doesn't mean they're safe.
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Old Aug 18, 2012 | 10:55 AM
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His car is faster than this car...I don't see that aluminum cage helping in a crash like this

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3080691
Three words: Isle of Man? I'm sure you know, there is always a Risk VS Reward in racing. It just so happens that there are people out there with the ***** to take more risk than the average sactioning body allows (thankfully).

Not my cup of tea, but if diagnosed with terminal cancer I might reconsider.
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Old Aug 18, 2012 | 03:15 PM
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Default Re: 1st aluminum rollcage I have ever seen , pikes peak car

Originally Posted by njn63
Also people are ignoring tubing thickness. It's not like cages are solid 4130.

So are Cusco cages. Doesn't mean they're safe.
Yeah I wouldn't trust one, plus AL work hardens. So who knows how long the lifespan of AL cage would be.
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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 2point2
I heard Boeing, Lockheed, and Airbus use aluminum. They may change their minds after reading this thread.
That's what I was thinking....
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