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D15b7 idle surge - PCV valve

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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 06:27 AM
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Default D15b7 idle surge - PCV valve

1994 Del Sol S Idle surges from 800-1400 after warm up when the AC is off. Cold engine or AC engaged, no problem.

I have cleaned, then swapped the FITV and IAC.
Went through 2 cans of carb cleaner looking for a leak.

I finally found that when I pinched off the line for the PCV Valve the surge stopped and Idle settled around 800 - 900. I replaced the PCV Valve and vacuum line. Still have the surge. I'm out of ideas.

Any suggestions?

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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 06:41 AM
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Default Re: D15b7 idle surge - PCV valve

Originally Posted by 78F350

when I pinched off the line for the PCV Valve the surge stopped and Idle settled around 800 - 900.
Is this^ still true?
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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 07:14 AM
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Default Re: D15b7 idle surge - PCV valve

Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Is this^ still true?
Almost... Now when I pinch off the vacuum line the surge gets slower and less extreme (1050-1200 over 4 sec opposed to 800-1400 over 2 seconds before I pinch it off). When I release the hose idle is steady at 1100 now. I can rev it and make the surge come back.

Maybe another slight leak somewhere?
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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 08:11 AM
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Default Re: D15b7 idle surge - PCV valve

Here's some video of it:
http://youtu.be/8jaxEHmml18

(The valve noise sounds pretty loud when I go to the engine, but the mic is right on the valve cover.)
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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 10:11 AM
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Default Re: D15b7 idle surge - PCV valve

Remove the air intake and let the warm engine idle until the surging starts. Then use your finger to the cover the hole/port inside the throttle body leading to the IACV and FITV. Does covering one or both holes eliminate the high/surging idle problem?
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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 11:03 AM
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Default Re: D15b7 idle surge - PCV valve

Fixed.

I took off the air intake and covered the holes. FITV had a slight vacuum, no fix. IAC choked it out almost. Maybe little air was getting by the throttle valve. That and the slightly high idle got me thinking....

Being a 'hammer and duct tape' kind of guy I took a hammer and did a light tap on the flat part of the throttle control just above the stop. The second tap dropped the idle to 800 and fortunately nothing broke*. 100+ degree weather and a week of troubleshooting I was about ready to take a sledge hammer to the whole intake.

The Idle is steady at 800 now and I can't get the surge to come back if I try.

*I don't recommend the 'Hammer Fix' unless you have already run out of options and tried adjusting the throttle with the idle screw.

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