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Old Jul 15, 2012 | 01:27 PM
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i have a 96 accord lx and i just did a jdm h23a blue top swap in it. chipped p28 with an h22 map, 96 accord lx harness was used, a usdm obd2 external coil dizzy. i'm getting power to the dizzy but not the coil? checked all fuses. motor turns over but won't spark. tired new coil and nothing. new dizzy nothing still. i'm lost. i've looked up as much as i can and do evrything i could to my knowledge. please help!!

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Old Jul 16, 2012 | 07:28 AM
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Make sure you havent swapped any connectors. Its pretty easy to do.
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Old Jul 16, 2012 | 09:47 AM
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Make sure you havent swapped any connectors. Its pretty easy to do.
connector? like what kind of connectors.
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Old Jul 16, 2012 | 09:50 AM
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Old Jul 16, 2012 | 11:53 PM
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so i need help asap plz anyone thanks
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Old Jul 17, 2012 | 01:31 AM
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I believe it's MAP and TPS sensors that can be swapped accidentally. Just look in that area.
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Old Jul 17, 2012 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by holmesnmanny
I believe it's MAP and TPS sensors that can be swapped accidentally. Just look in that area.

thatll make it not have any spark?? those plugged right in to my harness
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Old Jul 17, 2012 | 09:44 AM
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Did you ground the engine to chassis?
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Old Jul 17, 2012 | 09:46 AM
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Did you ground the engine to chassis?
it should be.
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Old Jul 17, 2012 | 09:59 AM
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dude you said you get power to the dizzy but not to the coil? how about the igniter. ignition control module. that part tells the dizzy when to throw spark
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Old Jul 17, 2012 | 10:05 AM
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dude you said you get power to the dizzy but not to the coil? how about the igniter. ignition control module. that part tells the dizzy when to throw spark
isn't the icm in the dizzy? if it is the dizzys brand new
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Old Jul 17, 2012 | 11:25 AM
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are you sure its BRAND NEW. where did you get it at? autozone? if so its most likely a REMAN. and autozone FAILS at reman. parts. and dont always assume becuz its a new part that it wont fail. ive seen new dealership parts fail out the box.
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isn't the icm in the dizzy? if it is the dizzys brand new
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Old Jul 17, 2012 | 11:26 AM
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did you wire the crank sensor? i see your obdII if you haven't its never going to start
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jdmcertified909
did you wire the crank sensor? i see your obdII if you haven't its never going to start
hmmmmmm... how would that work? the motor doesnt have an oem crank sensor plug?? is theere a crank sensor in a obd1 dizzy? i remember there in the. dizzy in the stock accord obd1. but. would that even matter.? by buddys b16 doesnt even have his crank sensor plugged in and his runs and its on a non chipped ecu or bypassed crank sensor. if i were to do the bypass the sensor would it work?
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jdmcertified909
are you sure its BRAND NEW. where did you get it at? autozone? if so its most likely a REMAN. and autozone FAILS at reman. parts. and dont always assume becuz its a new part that it wont fail. ive seen new dealership parts fail out the box.
yes its brand new. not remnd
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 05:03 AM
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inside the obd1 dizzy are the pickup coils. those sensors send info to ecu telling it at what timing its at then ecu tells injectors and spark when to shoot. if those sensors are not working then you have no spark or fuel. im saying from experience. internal dizzy sensors give me no open injector systom.
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hmmmmmm... how would that work? the motor doesnt have an oem crank sensor plug?? is theere a crank sensor in a obd1 dizzy? i remember there in the. dizzy in the stock accord obd1. but. would that even matter.? by buddys b16 doesnt even have his crank sensor plugged in and his runs and its on a non chipped ecu or bypassed crank sensor. if i were to do the bypass the sensor would it work?
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 05:05 AM
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also RE-CHECK all grounds. body grounds. engine grounds. chassis grounds. there should be a pack of grounds to the thermostat housing. and i believe some on the throttle body.
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 06:15 AM
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Jdm motors don't have crank sensors to my knowledge but your ecu will still be looking for one if its the stock one.
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 07:34 AM
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how many wires do you have coming out of your dizzy
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by accordin 2 me
Jdm motors don't have crank sensors to my knowledge but your ecu will still be looking for one if its the stock one.
i have a chipped p28 with an h22 map so that should have been cancled out
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hondaaccordf23
how many wires do you have coming out of your dizzy
its an xternal dizzy so the two harness plugs and the one to the external coil
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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 02:00 PM
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Old Jul 28, 2012 | 06:58 PM
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I just did a JDM swap, and had to re-wire my CKP and TDC sensors... at the end of ur harness, right where it forks to the alternator is another plug with 4 wires... those have to be re-routed to the sensors in the JDM dizzy... hope this helps
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Old Jul 29, 2012 | 05:18 AM
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He is using a USDM external distributor.

I'm not 100% familiar with the JDM H23A. However I do know that it is OBD2. Can you see the CKP and TDC sensor wires at the back of the timing cover? Would be in the same location as the engine that you removed from the car also OBD2. You have to have a signal to the ECU from both of these sensors.

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Old Jul 29, 2012 | 07:47 AM
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What ecu are you using?
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