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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 07:09 AM
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I'm getting a 00 civic ex coupe and I already have jdm b18c type r engine and transmission. I'm looking to build a fun to drive, daily driver street car. I'm not looking to build some high hp drag car. so I'm thinking of going the supercharger route for power on demand. my goal is to achieve between 250-300whp. I already have eagle rods and arp fasteners so I don't have much for it yet. I have about 6k to put into this project so far and not sure where to start. I'm not sure what else to get for engine internals, any suggestions? I have been reading a lot about other peoples builds and have seen a lot of Jackson racing superchargers. any suggestions on what supercharger to use? and if I were to go Jackson racing where can I get the parts? I have searched google a bunch and can't find crap for jr superchargers or manifolds. another question is the stock pistons gonna work well for this build? I believe the stock pistons are 11.1/1 so is this too much and should I drop the compression? I'm sure more questions will arise as I think of them but any feedback would be appreciated.
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 07:49 AM
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There's a JRSC thread. Maybe you might want to read through it.
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 08:16 AM
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where in the forced induction threads?
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 08:24 AM
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You're kidding right?
What JRSC setup are you running?
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 12:42 AM
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You're kidding right?
What JRSC setup are you running?
lol I found the jrsc threads in the forced induction FAQ but I still can't find where to actually buy the supercharger from
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 01:31 AM
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Beware of the JRSC route. I was very close to pulling the trigger on one of these via the HT classifieds.

Check the original parts list for the JRSC against whatever the seller is offering. Often times, the seller has the SC and maybe the pulleys, and that's about it. There's about 175+ bolts/washers/gaskets/hoses, etc. that are required that are *never* offered in the classified on a used unit. Buyer beware (ie. -- as easy as installing an intake manifold, etc.)

If you're technically competent, patient, and willing to expend a substantial amount of fuel driving place-to-place, you may be able to piece this Rube Goldberg-sans.-intercooler machine together and come out on top.

All of the recent JRSC offerings here I've considered required so many additional "little" parts, that the cost often exceeded the price of the JRSC when offered new. So much so that a turbo setup looked like a bargain.

If the offer doesn't include the custom crank pulley (it usually never does), you're also screwed, as the company that now handles the JRSC products doesn't offer them, and you're forced to pursue a completely custom item for a substantial cost.

Just FYI.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 06:19 AM
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IIRC the JRSC runs off a double alternator pulley, not a crankshaft pulley.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 06:26 AM
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you can't actually buy a new jrsc....
thanks for playing though. tell him what he's won johnny.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 02:08 PM
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you can't actually buy a new jrsc....
thanks for playing though. tell him what he's won johnny.
see this is exactly what i thought. i cannot find any info on where to actually get the supercharger. can someone elaborate on this a little? if the supercharger isnt sold new then how exactly are people getting them and putting them on their cars?

im not exactly understanding this
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 02:14 PM
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basically from what i know about this which is about slim to none, im getting the idea that people are taking an m62 blower that originally came off another vehicle some how butchering it in their car and making it work, correct? if i am wrong please correct me. is their another supercharger that is going to work better? something that perhaps comes with everything needed to install it?
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 02:21 PM
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Just get a properly sized turbocharger system. it will be super responsive especially with that engine trans combo and obtain the hp goal with ease and not create a ton of heat and be reliable and you can work with new parts not old junk thats obsolete
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 02:33 PM
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see this is exactly what i thought. i cannot find any info on where to actually get the supercharger. can someone elaborate on this a little? if the supercharger isnt sold new then how exactly are people getting them and putting them on their cars?

im not exactly understanding this
you have to find a used one... and when you do its never a complete kit... its missing all of the bolts and hoses and the superchargers are in **** condition...

you can take an m62 and modify it for CCw rotation but its not something for the garage mechanic or those that arent very mechanically inclined to do. Then they mount it in place of the ac compressor in order to run a front mount.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 02:43 PM
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you have to find a used one... and when you do its never a complete kit... its missing all of the bolts and hoses and the superchargers are in **** condition...

you can take an m62 and modify it for CCw rotation but its not something for the garage mechanic or those that arent very mechanically inclined to do. Then they mount it in place of the ac compressor in order to run a front mount.
im a mechanic of seven years so is it something i could do? most likely.... is it something i want to hack into my car.... absolutely not. thanks for the info that is honestly the most info i have gotten yet. i had no idea if these were a kit sold years ago or if they were sc's taken off other cars and modified to fit their cars.

see my issue is, this car is my daily driver. i want more torque out of the engine and was considering going the j-swap route. being that its a daily driver and i cant have the car be down for a month while im waiting for a harness to be made then this was out of the question. not to mention the mil problems i would be dealing with while trying to get it inspected. so my next thought was supercharging the engine i got. its a nice type r engine so i didnt really want to get rid of it for a j series. i also dont want to go the turbo route cuz i hate turbo lag. i want the low end torque that a supercharger will provide.
any ideas or info on a good superchager kit?... that is actually meant for a b18
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 02:51 PM
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you have to pull the snout off, swap the drive gear to the other rotor and flip the snout... its not something you can easily do unless you're supercharger educated. you're gonna hate the jrsc... they did a comparison of a jrsc vs. a drag turbo kit @ 8psi.
From idle to 3k the jrsc made more power but from 3k to redline the drag kit walked away and never looked back. it made more power everywhere and at a lower psi than the jrsc. if all you have to wait for is 3,000rpm to make power then a supercharger simply isnt worth it... especially for the trouble to find a jrsc kit... then to find all the nuts, bolts, and hoses its missing... not to mention most jrsc kits, the supercharger lobes are chewed up

and they make odb2 j engines... so you can just use the engine harness of the vehicle it came out of and the stock ecu and pass obd2 emissions scanning
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 03:02 PM
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yand they make odb2 j engines... so you can just use the engine harness of the vehicle it came out of and the stock ecu and pass obd2 emissions scanning
i would have to send out the harness from my car, the harness from the j engine, the ecu, immobilizer and key, and then wait a month for them to make it, and who knows what kind of issues i would end up with after that. i can just see it now, mil problems galore
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 03:03 PM
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there wouldnt be if you used an obd2 j ecu... the immobilizer you can buy a bypass for to use a non chipped key..
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 03:14 PM
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but then what happens when i plug the car in to the nys dmv computer for inspection? have it come up as a v6 accord or odyssey when i just scanned the registration as a 00 civic? that will be audited in no time
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 03:17 PM
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Doesn't matter. Ecu still has the same codes. The Ecu doesn't tell the computer what kind of car it is.. I have friends that do emissions
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 03:30 PM
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i am a nys inspector myself. we scan the registration off the car and then plug in to obd2 connector. the nys computer reads the VIN from the ecu. if the VIN from the ecu does not match the registration then the inspection will still go through but the dmv audits your shop. they think you have a car with the mil on and when doing the inspection plugged it in to a different car to get it to pass inspection. dmv calls it a "clean scan," i have had co workers get fined and fired over it.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 03:56 PM
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what gas are you planning on using? if e85 you're golden, if pump leave it NA. besides myself many others who have tried boosting the jdm itr specifically wind up with fractured ringlands sooner or later. a healthy low mile jdm itr has 250psi of cranking compression, add boost and pump gas and it's a dangerous combo on a hot day or with a bad tank of gas
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 04:13 PM
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We've never had that happen. Weird. Maybe ga is different but if i remember right Honda can program a vin into an Ecu
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 04:28 PM
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what gas are you planning on using? if e85 you're golden, if pump leave it NA. besides myself many others who have tried boosting the jdm itr specifically wind up with fractured ringlands sooner or later. a healthy low mile jdm itr has 250psi of cranking compression, add boost and pump gas and it's a dangerous combo on a hot day or with a bad tank of gas
the engine is torn apart and on a stand right now, i didnt plan on leaving it high compression for forced induction. im about to give up on this and ditch all plans and just get a new 5.0 mustang
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The New 5.0s are nice. We have na motors making over 550rwhp in FormulaD.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 05:37 PM
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The New 5.0s are nice. We have na motors making over 550rwhp in FormulaD.
whats formulaD?
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Formula Drift.. Drifting....
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