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Old Jun 20, 2012 | 07:20 PM
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Hey everyone im Aaron, so i purchased a 92 civic hatch, completely stock, except for ebay CAI, and after market exhaust leak, ive just got done ordering a bit of goodies Here is the list,

-Function & Form Type 1's
-Blox Racing Control Arms
-Drag DR54 15x8.25 +15
-10k HIDs
-Yonaka ebay Catback exhaust
-Clear Corner lights
-CF Duckbill
-Beaks Tie bar (white)

Now, my next thing is either Paint/body work, or Motor swap.

Im more leaning to Motor swap cause the stock d15b is at 240k miles and burning oil like a mug, but its a d-series and will last a lifetime, But thats where im confused i wanna Vitara/eagle D16zc build with boost, or maybe a b20 swap :/

I found a Complete B20 with 120k w/out tranny for $400, or was planning on ordering my zc from jdmtigerjapanese.com, but heard some horror stories from them, and another thing is the D16zc build would have to be a budget build, if anyone knows how how much a Budget boosted ZC build would be that would be amazing, Thanks everyone.

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Old Jun 20, 2012 | 09:12 PM
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no such thing as a budget and boost in the same sentence.

That new paint job wont do you any good when your stuck on the side of the highway.

Single jingles can be found on craigslist for cheap. If your on a budget, swap in a another single, your paint looks decent for a 20 year old car.

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A B20 swap cost more then u think when you add in a trans, header, clutch. flywheel, axles, intake manifold, etc, etc
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Old Jun 20, 2012 | 09:24 PM
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(and the federal laws preventing a light truck motor being put in a passenger car)

Budget and boost can go together, but don't expect it to be zomgfast, and expect to spend a lot of time researching, learning, and parts searching.
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Old Jun 20, 2012 | 09:59 PM
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ah no im not worried about the laws on modifying my car, they arent strict here in Missouri, But im not expecting like 400hp my any means, roughly maybe around 250?

But ill take your advice on paint, its not bad its a 30ft car lol, but i understand what your coming from about the motor, and really craigslist has nothing on single jingles in St. louis area.
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Old Jun 20, 2012 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CrustyPirate
Im more leaning to Motor swap cause the stock d15b is at 240k miles and burning oil like a mug, but its a d-series and will last a lifetime, But thats where im confused
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You can easily and reliably reach 250 with a B16/B18 swap and a small amount of boost. That would probably be the easiest, least expensive route.
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Old Jun 20, 2012 | 10:29 PM
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Shhhhhhhhhhh
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right! -_- its goin to happen..
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You can easily and reliably reach 250 with a B16/B18 swap and a small amount of boost. That would probably be the easiest, least expensive route.
Maaaaan, i know dont get me wrong i thought about it, but for some odd reason i want to stick with SOHC.
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Old Jun 20, 2012 | 11:36 PM
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Is it better to boost a DOHC then a SOHC, im fairly new to cars and im curious.
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Old Jun 21, 2012 | 12:37 AM
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You can get more power with less money out of a DOHC than you can out of a SOHC in the Honda world, techlove92.

Crusty, you have three options. Boost on stock bottom end/valve train, and peak out at ~200whp. Rods/pistons, and peak out at (probably) around 300, unless you have access to a very good tuner. Rebuilt, forged bottom end including sleeves, pistons, rods, crank work, et. al. and hit 500 without thinking about it.

If you're happy with 200 (trust me, 200whp is still pretty damn quick for a DD), piece together a turbo kit. You'll need a turbo (T28/T3 would fit your needs, although I'm a fan of the TD04H-19T), exhaust manifold, downpipe, higher flowing exhaust system, an oil feed/return system, intercooler and piping, and some kind of engine management. If you take your time shopping around, you can put all of this together reliably for ~$1500. When you start looking at the 300 mark, you're going to double that number.
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Old Jun 21, 2012 | 12:55 AM
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This is a little off topic, but I fall in this category. My vtec doesn't kick in my stock ej1. Where can I get that checked out for cheap? I'm down in the inland empire? Any advice for a noob such as myself would be great. Thanks
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Any advice for a noob such as myself would be great. Thanks
Yes. Don't jack threads when you already have one going.
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Old Jun 21, 2012 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jbpnoman
You can get more power with less money out of a DOHC than you can out of a SOHC in the Honda world, techlove92.

Crusty, you have three options. Boost on stock bottom end/valve train, and peak out at ~200whp. Rods/pistons, and peak out at (probably) around 300, unless you have access to a very good tuner. Rebuilt, forged bottom end including sleeves, pistons, rods, crank work, et. al. and hit 500 without thinking about it.

If you're happy with 200 (trust me, 200whp is still pretty damn quick for a DD), piece together a turbo kit. You'll need a turbo (T28/T3 would fit your needs, although I'm a fan of the TD04H-19T), exhaust manifold, downpipe, higher flowing exhaust system, an oil feed/return system, intercooler and piping, and some kind of engine management. If you take your time shopping around, you can put all of this together reliably for ~$1500. When you start looking at the 300 mark, you're going to double that number.
Okay, well this will be my DD, and 200-300 would be in my liking, and im pretty certain im goin rod/piston way, i roughly wanted to spend around $2000-2500 but thats including the engine that i dont have. But im also doin my research on d-series.org too, lots of help, and as well on here.
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Not happening. Estimate about $500 for EMS and another $500, more or less, for the tune. 3/5 of your budget is already gone and we didn't even piece together a reliable turbo kit nor bought the engine yet. And let's not forget upgrading the clutch and various other expenses that come up. $2,500 isn't going to cut it unless you take the risk and go the Ebay route for parts.
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Old Jun 21, 2012 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CrustyPirate
Maaaaan, i know dont get me wrong i thought about it, but for some odd reason i want to stick with SOHC.
because you aren't willing to spend the cash. which will leave you disappointed and/or spending even more cash that you didn't want to spend in the first place. and once you have dumped said gross amount of cash into car, you'll see how much extra cash you need to finish up the turbo set up and, burnt out, you'll sell the project. or you'll take the short route and go through a few ebay turbos and junkyard long blocks of either series and, burnt out, sell the project. or you'll get lucky with ebay parts and a fmu/generic chip tune and get ***-raped by a stock v6 oldsmobile alero or a stock-motor swapped hatch and really feel down.

at this point, because of your financial hesitance. i'd replace the paperweight engine you have with another d15b8 (assuming it's a dx, which you failed to mention) just add an ex/si tranny if you can find one for cheap, which you should be able to do, and toss in a 9lb flywheel and a exedy oem replacement clutch; this with your exhaust will keep you feeling cheese and tinkering for a while whilst you finish up your cosmetic mods and other things here and there. you'll enjoy that a lot more than having whatever swap or turbo in a car which is otherwise still a 20 year old pos, trust me when i say that.

Originally Posted by techlove92
Is it better to boost a DOHC then a SOHC, im fairly new to cars and im curious.
yes, undoubtedly.

that said, i'm a fan of sohc motors, not a fan of racing though. and i drive a b-swapped car. so i'm pretty f'in unbiased.

don't let this turn into a b vs d thing. although i took the bait.
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Not happening. Estimate about $500 for EMS and another $500, more or less, for the tune. 3/5 of your budget is already gone and we didn't even piece together a reliable turbo kit nor bought the engine yet. And let's not forget upgrading the clutch and various other expenses that come up. $2,500 isn't going to cut it unless you take the risk and go the Ebay route for parts.
Isn't EMS usually more? I'd be happy to find one for $500
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Estimates. Catch someone on the Marketplace in a tight spot. See them all the time.
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-Function & Form Type 1's
-Blox Racing Control Arms
-Drag DR54 15x8.25 +15
-10k HIDs
-Yonaka ebay Catback exhaust
-Clear Corner lights
-CF Duckbill
-Beaks Tie bar (white)

Have to throw in my two cents...

I have to ask...why 8.25" wide tires??

Also, I bet you that the Blox lca`s you bought, the bushing may last you six months, someone please tell me I`m wrong.

And I`m predicting massive Ebay partage going on in your not to distant future...but, you gotta learn the hard way like the rest of us did.
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Old Jun 21, 2012 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MonkeyMagic
because you aren't willing to spend the cash. which will leave you disappointed and/or spending even more cash that you didn't want to spend in the first place. and once you have dumped said gross amount of cash into car, you'll see how much extra cash you need to finish up the turbo set up and, burnt out, you'll sell the project. or you'll take the short route and go through a few ebay turbos and junkyard long blocks of either series and, burnt out, sell the project. or you'll get lucky with ebay parts and a fmu/generic chip tune and get ***-raped by a stock v6 oldsmobile alero or a stock-motor swapped hatch and really feel down.

at this point, because of your financial hesitance. i'd replace the paperweight engine you have with another d15b8 (assuming it's a dx, which you failed to mention) just add an ex/si tranny if you can find one for cheap, which you should be able to do, and toss in a 9lb flywheel and a exedy oem replacement clutch; this with your exhaust will keep you feeling cheese and tinkering for a while whilst you finish up your cosmetic mods and other things here and there. you'll enjoy that a lot more than having whatever swap or turbo in a car which is otherwise still a 20 year old pos, trust me when i say that.
It's not that i wanna spend the extra money i just want to keep it a SOHC, everyone is turning to b-series, and i know best bang for your buck, but, im being told by close friends and d-series.org i can easily make my 200-250hp goal by piston/rod, head studs, pump, injectors on good tune, and of course im goin to piece together my kit, thats what alot of people do, even if its off craigslist, still not brand new but still 1/2 the price, plus my buddies that run d-series could probably help me with homemade kit, and dx had d15b7 (16 valve) and B8's came in cx (8 valve)
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Have to throw in my two cents...

I have to ask...why 8.25" wide tires??

Also, I bet you that the Blox lca`s you bought, the bushing may last you six months, someone please tell me I`m wrong.

And I`m predicting massive Ebay partage going on in your not to distant future...but, you gotta learn the hard way like the rest of us did.
why not 8.25" wide wheels? lol

and yes i know bushing go fast, not to worried though, picked up extra set from vexmotorsports when i ordered them, and for the ebay partage, not foreal, the only thing ebay on my car will be the CAI when i bought it, and the yonaka exhaust, annnd maybe intercooler piping if this falls through.


And its not like im trying to hit 400+hp, and beat fully bolt on ls1's or anything, just 200-250hp, not impossible in my eyes for $2500, idk thats me and ima noob, so bring on those oldsmobile's
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Old Jun 21, 2012 | 10:50 PM
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i'd replace the paperweight engine you have with another d15b8 (assuming it's a dx, which you failed to mention)
And yes it is a dx, sorry guy.
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go b20 with a chipped p75. you'll love it lol
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go b20 with a chipped p75. you'll love it lol
What part of "keeping it SOHC" is tripping you up? Now if you said F23 then that would technically be keeping within the requirements.
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Isn't EMS usually more? I'd be happy to find one for $500
A chipped P28 will be a lot cheaper than $500. A LOT cheaper. More to the tune of $150-$200, if you buy it brand freaking new from a professional tuning/chipping company. Chrome is one tuning option, and it's free - you only need a competent tuner who knows how to use it. If you or your tuner wants more support, the Hondata S300 isn't too terribly expensive either.

You should expect to pay $300-$600 for a good tune, though, if not more. It is undeniably the MOST important part of ANY build.
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Old Jun 23, 2012 | 09:32 AM
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A chipped P28 will be a lot cheaper than $500. A LOT cheaper. More to the tune of $150-$200, if you buy it brand freaking new from a professional tuning/chipping company. Chrome is one tuning option, and it's free - you only need a competent tuner who knows how to use it. If you or your tuner wants more support, the Hondata S300 isn't too terribly expensive either.

You should expect to pay $300-$600 for a good tune, though, if not more. It is undeniably the MOST important part of ANY build.
See, thats what i was thinking, a p28 would do just fine for me, im only wanting a "peppy" car lol 250hp, ad goin all out on a EMS, and tune im fine with got a buddy to help me with that, so iidk $2500 seems like a good number to spend.
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