Thinking about taking the turbo kit off of my R.
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I got the car a couple months ago, Its a great car. It has a turbo kit obviously, nice inline pro quality kit putting down 350 on 12 pounds on a pretty much stock motor.
The cars been turboed for about 3 years and I am thinking about taking the kit off for a couple of reasons.
1, I dont want to risk any thing happening to the motor, aka blow up and be stuck between a rock and a hard spot and having to buy a new swap.
2 I only drive the car about 5 miles a day. to work and back.
I have 99 percent of the oem parts to take it back to NA. But i'm just unsure.
I also have the OEM front R bumper with the fog lights. SO thats a nice lil extra also.
LMK what you guys think. I know its my decision at the end of the day just trying to get a few more opinions, and if your reason for keeping it boosted is just for the boost I have had plenty of turbo cars and that bug was itched years ago lol.
Thanks Tom.
The cars been turboed for about 3 years and I am thinking about taking the kit off for a couple of reasons.
1, I dont want to risk any thing happening to the motor, aka blow up and be stuck between a rock and a hard spot and having to buy a new swap.
2 I only drive the car about 5 miles a day. to work and back.
I have 99 percent of the oem parts to take it back to NA. But i'm just unsure.
I also have the OEM front R bumper with the fog lights. SO thats a nice lil extra also.
LMK what you guys think. I know its my decision at the end of the day just trying to get a few more opinions, and if your reason for keeping it boosted is just for the boost I have had plenty of turbo cars and that bug was itched years ago lol.
Thanks Tom.
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Yeah, thats how I feel too. Pretty much all of my cars have been turboed since I could afford to do it lol. I just have to think about whats more practical. AND if I sell the kit I can redo my whole suspension and start hitting up the track.
for suspension mods. Having that extra power sure is nice, but a fast car doesn't always mean a fast driver. I say bring it back to its roots, naturally aspirated and made to handle.
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Yeah that's what I'm agreeing with. Like I can handle the power I'd just rather be able to keep it healthy and not have to worry about it going boom
Yeah that's what I'm agreeing with. Like I can handle the power I'd just rather be able to keep it healthy and not have to worry about it going boom
Sell the turblo and track. Have you tracked with that much HP? Slow is fast. You will rely on the straights and less focus on the corners where the itr shines.
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Yeah, i gotcha. Had a brain fart. Ive never hit the track in a integra but Ive raced bike for 16 years and have had my fair share of open wheel funness. (forumla 3000 cars)
Its going to be fun. I think with about 2 grand I can make a nice suspension set up, thats good enough for the track when I want to have some fun and good for the street. We will see.
depends. there is a LOT less stress on the engine without the turbo, but of course less power. personally i like the R when it's NA and i'm all about being fast. the only thing i didnt like about a turbo is that it threw the balance off. even with sticky tires you started running out of brake. you were at the limit of traction all the time when driving hard. it's fun, but more of a drag race thing and or it could be a road course car if it was designed as such.
from my experience, anytime you double the given hp of a car you'll more or less have to redesign the entire thing if you want any type of balance and that's if it's even possible.
i just look at this stuff as math.
nice type r = $12000
quality turbo setup $4500
sticky tires on cheap light wheels $1000
koni/gc suspension $1000
well, there's 18,500 which is exactly what a 2001 z06 with 48k miles closed for on ebay the other day.
with that car you have 385hp and it was designed around that power level from the get go. you already have suspension tuned for that power level and make that hp without needing forced induction. not to mention you have rwd and a 295 35 18 rear tire and a superior frame. on top of all of that it's also a lot less likely to get stolen. even more crazy still is how similar the interior of the 01-04 z06 and the type r happen to be. other than the seats the dash and door panels look as similar as similar gets
from my experience, anytime you double the given hp of a car you'll more or less have to redesign the entire thing if you want any type of balance and that's if it's even possible.
i just look at this stuff as math.
nice type r = $12000
quality turbo setup $4500
sticky tires on cheap light wheels $1000
koni/gc suspension $1000
well, there's 18,500 which is exactly what a 2001 z06 with 48k miles closed for on ebay the other day.
with that car you have 385hp and it was designed around that power level from the get go. you already have suspension tuned for that power level and make that hp without needing forced induction. not to mention you have rwd and a 295 35 18 rear tire and a superior frame. on top of all of that it's also a lot less likely to get stolen. even more crazy still is how similar the interior of the 01-04 z06 and the type r happen to be. other than the seats the dash and door panels look as similar as similar gets
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depends. there is a LOT less stress on the engine without the turbo, but of course less power. personally i like the R when it's NA and i'm all about being fast. the only thing i didnt like about a turbo is that it threw the balance off. even with sticky tires you started running out of brake. you were at the limit of traction all the time when driving hard. it's fun, but more of a drag race thing and or it could be a road course car if it was designed as such.
from my experience, anytime you double the given hp of a car you'll more or less have to redesign the entire thing if you want any type of balance and that's if it's even possible.
i just look at this stuff as math.
nice type r = $12000
quality turbo setup $4500
sticky tires on cheap light wheels $1000
koni/gc suspension $1000
well, there's 18,500 which is exactly what a 2001 z06 with 48k miles closed for on ebay the other day.
with that car you have 385hp and it was designed around that power level from the get go. you already have suspension tuned for that power level and make that hp without needing forced induction. not to mention you have rwd and a 295 35 18 rear tire and a superior frame. on top of all of that it's also a lot less likely to get stolen. even more crazy still is how similar the interior of the 01-04 z06 and the type r happen to be. other than the seats the dash and door panels look as similar as similar gets
from my experience, anytime you double the given hp of a car you'll more or less have to redesign the entire thing if you want any type of balance and that's if it's even possible.
i just look at this stuff as math.
nice type r = $12000
quality turbo setup $4500
sticky tires on cheap light wheels $1000
koni/gc suspension $1000
well, there's 18,500 which is exactly what a 2001 z06 with 48k miles closed for on ebay the other day.
with that car you have 385hp and it was designed around that power level from the get go. you already have suspension tuned for that power level and make that hp without needing forced induction. not to mention you have rwd and a 295 35 18 rear tire and a superior frame. on top of all of that it's also a lot less likely to get stolen. even more crazy still is how similar the interior of the 01-04 z06 and the type r happen to be. other than the seats the dash and door panels look as similar as similar gets
Yeah I understand that completely. But... Vettes are for old guys. I took a vette from a dig the other day and he was mad as hell. ( not that I condone racing but it happens)
Im just ready to try the track thing out. Ive had turbo cars all my Honda life. Now its time to see what the All motor scene can do.
Im in my R 15 grand, Like I said before I just want to experience the R for what it truly is a well built track car... From the factory.
Then stick with factory suspension. It's plenty good enough. They ppl who say its not are the ones who haven't tracked them. Sense you haven't tracked before.
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if you want to try tracking the car it's more than capable stock
the #1 thing that will make your car faster is tires. then again sticky tires will help mask bad driving habits. something like a yoke s drive on a stock R is a good learner tire. it's firm enough you can feel what's going on but not so sticky that it will mask bad driving. to be quick on them you have to keep good lines and brake properly.
if you road race boosted the stock suspension will be too soft and you'll run out of brake on stock pads. you can still do it but you'll be braking early and will spend effort controlling the car in cornering. i would put the lightest spring in your WG that you can find for your first time.
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you're looking at this whole things as cosmetics and style. all that is subjective.
if you want to try tracking the car it's more than capable stock
the #1 thing that will make your car faster is tires. then again sticky tires will help mask bad driving habits. something like a yoke s drive on a stock R is a good learner tire. it's firm enough you can feel what's going on but not so sticky that it will mask bad driving. to be quick on them you have to keep good lines and brake properly.
if you road race boosted the stock suspension will be too soft and you'll run out of brake on stock pads. you can still do it but you'll be braking early and will spend effort controlling the car in cornering. i would put the lightest spring in your WG that you can find for your first time.
if you want to try tracking the car it's more than capable stock
the #1 thing that will make your car faster is tires. then again sticky tires will help mask bad driving habits. something like a yoke s drive on a stock R is a good learner tire. it's firm enough you can feel what's going on but not so sticky that it will mask bad driving. to be quick on them you have to keep good lines and brake properly.
if you road race boosted the stock suspension will be too soft and you'll run out of brake on stock pads. you can still do it but you'll be braking early and will spend effort controlling the car in cornering. i would put the lightest spring in your WG that you can find for your first time.
Yeah. im not trying to make an all out track car so I dont mind if its lower a little bit. Its mainly going to be a DD with a track session every now and then.
I'm all about NA motors, but I think 350whp is manageable on these cars. Anything over that is just ridiculous on the streets.
If you're tired of having it turbo, then build a nice NA set-up on the B18C5. B series engines with anything over 200whp NA are a lot of fun as well.
If you're tired of having it turbo, then build a nice NA set-up on the B18C5. B series engines with anything over 200whp NA are a lot of fun as well.
I say go back to n/a, especially if you have pretty much everything to do so and are doing it yourself.
I have never personally driven any turbo Honda, but I would think that you are compromising the balance and response that Honda engineered into the Type R. If it feels too slow after you take it off, just find a twistier road...
Having both a 500hp turbo car (B5 S4) and a mildly built Integra GSR for a daily with a bunch of suspension, ITR trans, and ITR brakes, I can tell you that driving a well balanced n/a Honda on tight backroads offers a fairly unrivaled experience from the perspectives of driving pleasure, ergonomics, balance, and response, especially for a fwd car.
I will probably never sell my S4 and will probably make it even faster and less responsive in the future, but I don't think I could willingly do that without also owning a simple, clean, n/a Honda.
I have never personally driven any turbo Honda, but I would think that you are compromising the balance and response that Honda engineered into the Type R. If it feels too slow after you take it off, just find a twistier road...
Having both a 500hp turbo car (B5 S4) and a mildly built Integra GSR for a daily with a bunch of suspension, ITR trans, and ITR brakes, I can tell you that driving a well balanced n/a Honda on tight backroads offers a fairly unrivaled experience from the perspectives of driving pleasure, ergonomics, balance, and response, especially for a fwd car.
I will probably never sell my S4 and will probably make it even faster and less responsive in the future, but I don't think I could willingly do that without also owning a simple, clean, n/a Honda.


