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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 02:44 PM
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I've done a lot of research and people say the timing belt is too tight but in the video down below, you can see that the belt doesn't look that tight. this is my 3rd time tensioning my belt, 1st time too lose, 2nd time too tight, 3rd just right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LO1B...-EUTgG7PUc1bs=

i followed the procedure in the manual and i also did it this way http://www.team-integra.net/forum/bl...nt-g3-teg.html.

Everything is set to tdc. i triple checked. Drove around and it drives perfectly fine and idles good. I do not think its the alternator belt because it isn't super tight and not super loose and i don't hear the noise coming from it. However when i took the crank pulley off, i noticed on the lower timing cover that the pulley rubs on it because i can see the lines in the pulley but it's not very deep. Not really sure if that's whats cause it but i don't smell burning rubber.

New water pump, new tensioner, almost new belt. Oh btw its a crx with a 90 b18a1 block with a b1 head.

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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 02:47 PM
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It's prob just the pulley rubbing then but it shouldn't be. Did you put the washers back on the crank with the pulley
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 02:47 PM
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Almost new belt?
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 02:51 PM
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It's prob just the pulley rubbing then but it shouldn't be. Did you put the washers back on the crank with the pulley
Yes. One on the inside and one on the out.
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 02:52 PM
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Almost new belt?
Almost new belt because when i did get the belt in new, it was too loose but never had the time to actually tighten it until now..
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 02:54 PM
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Almost new belt because when i did get the belt in new, it was too loose but never had the time to actually tighten it until now..
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 03:00 PM
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When i got my new belt in, i didn't notice that it was loose. When i would rev and hold around 2-3k the belt would flap a lot. i was comparing it to my friends integra. So i figured i should tighten my belt because i didn't want it to skip teeth.
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 03:05 PM
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How did you not notice it wasn't tight before starting it?
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 03:07 PM
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So your using a old belt? Wheres the new one
Why dont you just check the deflection of the belt
The deflection should be between 1/2in and 1 in.

It seems like your worried about the belt being to tight and being to loose
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 03:08 PM
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How did you not notice it wasn't tight before starting it?
At tdc, i twisted the belt on the longer side of the belt and it was between 1/4 to 1/2 way.
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 03:10 PM
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So your using a old belt? Wheres the new one
Why dont you just check the deflection of the belt
The deflection should be between 1/2in and 1 in.

It seems like your worried about the belt being to tight and being to loose
It's only like 300 miles old. it's not that old. And yeah the deflection was between 1/2 and 1 in i believe but dont get why it's still making a whining noise
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 03:14 PM
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What brand belt and tensioner?
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 03:17 PM
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What brand belt and tensioner?
Sad to say but it's not oem. I got em from Bert Williams & Sons, Inc.
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 03:18 PM
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Default Re: Whining noise after timing belt change

When i first chaned everything and the belt flapped around a bit, i never heard this sound but the day i tightened the belt, up came the whining noise
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 03:28 PM
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It might be too tight I would give it a week and see if it's still making the noise, the belt might stretch
If your not sure which belt just take off the accessory belts for a min then start it and see

Not sure but I think William and sons sells delco belts
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 03:29 PM
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did you put the crank retainer ring{s} on backwards? there is a smooth rounded side and a sharp side. if you have the sharp side in the belt will rub, frey and.....well...probably not come apart but i sure wouldn't drive on it.

judging by the sound of your video i would put an educated guess on it

{s} because jdm crank pullies use 2 and usdm pullies use 1
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 03:31 PM
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did you put the crank retainer ring{s} on backwards? there is a smooth rounded side and a sharp side. if you have the sharp side in the belt will rub, frey and.....well...probably not come apart but i sure wouldn't drive on it.

{s} because jdm crank pullies use 2 and usdm pullies use 1
Not sure if its a jdm crank pullety but it came with 2.. and the one on the outside, the concave side is facing outwards. I spun the retainer around by hand on the sharp side and the smooth side to make sure it was right. When i first took the retainer off, i noticed it seemed as if the belt was rubbing on it because there were black marks all around it. i sanded it down some and put it back on.
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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 04:41 PM
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Default Re: Whining noise after timing belt change

if you have the retainers faced right, and you did the install process correctly including the tension process the only thing left is the belt

i won't use anything but oem or gates belts on a b series. i once tried to install an ebay no name belt for a friend and the pos never did install quite like the before mentioned.
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Default Re: Whining noise after timing belt change

Originally Posted by racebum
if you have the retainers faced right, and you did the install process correctly including the tension process the only thing left is the belt

i won't use anything but oem or gates belts on a b series. i once tried to install an ebay no name belt for a friend and the pos never did install quite like the before mentioned.
did u check the tensioner spring and tensioner?
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Originally Posted by TURBODC4TEG
did u check the tensioner spring and tensioner?
actually that's a good point, a dry bearing can hum too
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Originally Posted by racebum
if you have the retainers faced right, and you did the install process correctly including the tension process the only thing left is the belt

i won't use anything but oem or gates belts on a b series. i once tried to install an ebay no name belt for a friend and the pos never did install quite like the before mentioned.
Both retainers go in concave right? last night i heard kind of a metal to metal sound rubbing for a bit but then it went away.

And i dont think it's the belt because my friend has the same belt in the same engine and his doesn't have that sound.
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actually that's a good point, a dry bearing can hum too

It's a new tensioner but when i took it out to inspect it, i spun it around to see how much play there was and it seemed pretty good to me
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Well i think i figured out the metal to metal rubbing sound. The manual says the the concave side for the inside washer is supposed to face inward.
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Well, I just spent the last few days doing the same thing to a B16A2. I installed a toda belt with an ATI street damper and also got a whining sound at low rpm. I only put about 5 miles on it and it seem to lesson the more I drove it. Gonna give it a few days and see if it goes away.

As, far as your washer facing issue goes. I referenced two manuals. the OE honda and "how to rebuild honda b-series engines" workbench series and it clearly states that the outer washer needs to be installed with the concave side facing out.

Also, anyone following this thread. Any one ever do this and then have the engine not want to idle at low rpm. I am thinking it is super damper related and just curious on any input.
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Well, I just spent the last few days doing the same thing to a B16A2. I installed a toda belt with an ATI street damper and also got a whining sound at low rpm. I only put about 5 miles on it and it seem to lesson the more I drove it. Gonna give it a few days and see if it goes away.

As, far as your washer facing issue goes. I referenced two manuals. the OE honda and "how to rebuild honda b-series engines" workbench series and it clearly states that the outer washer needs to be installed with the concave side facing out.

Also, anyone following this thread. Any one ever do this and then have the engine not want to idle at low rpm. I am thinking it is super damper related and just curious on any input.
Yeah i read the manual earlier and found that i had the retainers correctly. I redid everything once more and im runnin the car without the lower belt cover because that could be a culprit to my sound. i'll put pic of it up later.

And for your idle problem, has it idled normally before you worked on it or was the problem the same? Sounds to me like your problem would be the FITV or IACV.
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