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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 12:12 AM
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okay guys so the situation is my car is running very lean atm after putting in headers(we opened it up,inside was white due to running very lean). Is their a temporary solution to just add an aftermarket pressure regulator and add more fuel(to run a bit more rich) for now until i can afford to do obd2a-obd1 conversion, obd1 ecu, chipped ecu w/ hondata s100, and labor for a air/fuel tune...
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 12:16 AM
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opened what up? what was white? what engine and what's the setup? doubtful a header by itself will make the engine run so lean you cause damage.
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 12:16 AM
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Yup........ Add Fuel pressure!
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 12:27 AM
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opened what up? what was white? what engine and what's the setup? doubtful a header by itself will make the engine run so lean you cause damage.
it didn't we just checked inside internally after we installed the headers(while installing when we took it off, where you can see inside(the four holes) inside was white thus meaning lean yes?).

motor is 98 b18c1.

running all stock except intake, header(and high flow cat),and exhaust;I haven't finished my exhaust setup though.
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 12:33 AM
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a better way of determining lean or rich without an actual wideband is pulling the plugs. white tips = lean black = rich

but you havent really made enough changes to drastically affect the a/f ratio
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 12:45 AM
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a better way of determining lean or rich without an actual wideband is pulling the plugs. white tips = lean black = rich

but you havent really made enough changes to drastically affect the a/f ratio

but why would the internal of the engine look white(the area where you can see inside after removing headers).
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just pull the plugs it's like a 5 minute job. you'll get a better idea.
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 12:48 AM
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just pull the plugs it's like a 5 minute job. you'll get a better idea.
the spark plug wires? and how or what can i tell from those?
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the actual spark plugs
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Originally Posted by doood
a better way of determining lean or rich without an actual wideband is pulling the plugs. white tips = lean black = rich

but you havent really made enough changes to drastically affect the a/f ratio
i didn't know that good tip
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 10:00 AM
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the actual spark plugs
so can i just pull the spark plug wires and look inside from there, or actually take out the whole spark plug itself. (i've never taken out spark plugs before, but it shouldn't be too hard lol just seeing if theirs an alternate solution).
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 10:08 AM
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take the spark plug out of the head
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 10:10 AM
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so can i just pull the spark plug wires and look inside from there, or actually take out the whole spark plug itself. (i've never taken out spark plugs before, but it shouldn't be too hard lol just seeing if theirs an alternate solution).
take the spark plug out. u can use a deep 5/8 socket with a long extension with the rubber tip that grabs the plug or unscrew it with a regular deep socket 5/8 and pull the loose spark plug with needle nose pliers. its very simple.
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Default Re: Running rich better than lean?(more info.)

Originally Posted by phoxking
so can i just pull the spark plug wires and look inside from there, or actually take out the whole spark plug itself. (i've never taken out spark plugs before, but it shouldn't be too hard lol just seeing if theirs an alternate solution).
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Holy crap. You're doing all these mods and have never done a simple tune up?
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 10:45 AM
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Wow, plugs is the easiest thing to do. You are accessing running condition of the engine and never pulled plugs before?
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That's what I'm saying. If you've never pulled a spark plug before how do you POSSIBLY know you're running lean?
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 11:06 AM
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Just so you know, when I had my original exhaust mani pulled, it had a whitish appearance as well, my car never ran lean always on the rich side.
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 11:41 AM
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 12:19 PM
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Default Re: Running rich better than lean?(more info.)

If your ecu is stock, then you're not running lean.

These simple bolt-ons do nothing to require a real tune.
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 12:30 PM
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lol
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 01:09 PM
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Default Re: Running rich better than lean?(more info.)

Back in the day before wideband O2 sensors were easily available, we used to use glass spark plugs to see the combustion and determine rich / lean conditions by color.



You kids these days are so spoiled, and yet, still can't figure out how to simply google how to read plugs...
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mayfly
take the spark plug out. u can use a deep 5/8 socket with a long extension with the rubber tip that grabs the plug or unscrew it with a regular deep socket 5/8 and pull the loose spark plug with needle nose pliers. its very simple.
okay thanks mayfly i'll do that.

Originally Posted by grumblemarc
Holy crap. You're doing all these mods and have never done a simple tune up?
when i first bought my integra(the gsr motor that is currently in my civic hatch, a close friend of mine chose to do me a favor and he did my timing belt, water pump, spark plugs, spark plug wires, and dizzy and everything else for the "major tuneup" when i was a tuner noob(and i still think i am lol)

that's why i've never done spark plugs..

Originally Posted by motegicivic
Wow, plugs is the easiest thing to do. You are accessing running condition of the engine and never pulled plugs before?
changing oil is the easiest thing to do lol..

so can someone tell me why the inside of the engine(where you pull the headers you can see partially the internal of the engine or head) is white? i just want that answered so i can sleep at night aha..hopefully nothing bad.
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 02:57 PM
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Probably just combustion deposits. Don't worry about it until you look at your plugs.
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 03:24 PM
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Probably just combustion deposits. Don't worry about it until you look at your plugs.
i hope so! i'll check out the plugs when i'm able to grab a hold of some of the needed tools necessary to do this "simple job". (torque wrench/deep sockets)
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