I'm on a budget to make a circle track car. The car is a 1990 2dr accord. It has an f22a1 in it and it tics and smokes like crazy. The transmission is also all messed up. But considering it's a $50 car it's not too bad.

My budget is $1,500 but I have to stay with a factory engine (Honda) and I can't turbo it. As of right now what I'm planning on doing is this.

-Full rebuild on F22a1 short block (I have a spare short block). Take it apart and replace rings, bearings, seals and gaskets. This will cost me about $140-$160 if there is no machining.

-F22b head. 100% rebuild is already done. Head has bisimoto valves, valve springs/retainers. Use oem cam as a core to send to Bisimoto to get the na non vtec cams and cam gear. That will cost me $110 for the head, $130 for the cam gear and $270 for the cam. This is all msrp. Not taking into account that I might find deals on these parts.

-H23 intake manifold. Flows better and costs nothing.

-Custom exhaust manifold that I'm going to be welding up will cost me nothing.

-H22 transmission. I haven't found one yet but I'll be on the look out for one.

-Need to tune it. I don't have anything right now. I usually go s300 but with this budget I don't know what I should use.


Now my question, is it even worth it to do all of this? What kind of power can I expect from all of this? I don't do f series and I've only owned a few h series. And I've never had a budget. But with these circle tracks cars you can only spend a certain amount of money. If you spend more you lose your car and get kicked out.

Also, if you see anything that just doesn't match up let me know. I know a lot less about f,h,g swaps than anything else.

Thanks.

 

What F22B head are you using, the DOHC or SOHC? If it is the SOHC. I would suggest you rebuild an F22A1 head instead.

If you want a bit of a bump in compression you could try and track down a set of F22B5 pistons down. They are an 85mm 9.9:1 CR piston from the Accord Aerodeck CE1 in Europe.

I would go with a Crome Pro tuned ECU if budget is a concern.

 

SOHC f22b head. The reason I'm using it is because it's already rebuilt and has the valves, valve guides, springs and retainers and everything is already done. Is there a difference in CFM between it and the f22a head? Or is it just the cr that is different? The f22b head is already deckedsince it was warped so that'll increase cr a little and has larger valves and all the the shenanigans. I plan on port matching everything and possibly porting the head itself a little depending on how it looks (not here yet, shipped out yesterday).

Another reason for wanting to use the f22b head is because then I don't even have to touch the motor that is in the car right now. I can just sell it as a whole motor or rebuild it and sell it or whatever. More options that way. But what kind of a power difference is there (if any) between the two heads?

Or should I just try to find a full h22 swap? That's another option even though i don't think it's allowed lol.

 

A full H22 swap will probably cost you more than $1500 by the time your done.

If the B2 head is already built and has over sized valves and a good valve job it should be good to go. The F22A PT3 head does have better flow characteristics when you compare stock heads.

With the intake upgrade, head build and exhaust you could also look into getting a set of OBD1 injectors from a 92-95 VTEC Prelude. they are 345cc, peak and hold injectors. They will work with the stock Accord injector wiring and H23 intake manifold.

 

Yea, that's what I planned on going for if not even bigger. I'll have to see if we have any lying around the shop on Monday. Surprisingly the car already has a walbro 255 so that's going to save me some money. I'm thinking of using crome now but if I have enough money I think I'll splurge and get s300 because it's the only software I've personally used. If not I'll get it tuned with crome but I have no experience with it. So I'd have to either learn by trial and fire/explosion or just have some one tune it. We'll see when I get to that point. For now I need to get that head, send the cam out and then find myself a nice h22 trans. Or is there another trans (f series) that I could get that has a little better gearing?

Honestly I don't know if a f22 trans would be bad. I'm going to have to check and see what the gears are because if I can keep the car in one gear the whole way around the track it'd actually work out.

Also, do you have any idea what kind of power this setup would make? I'll be happy if I can improve on a 74whp d16a1 they ran last year in an old integra lol.

 

If all goes well a I would think a build like this should put you in around the 130-150whp range. Maybe more with a healthy bottom end.

What gear do you normally run in while racing. I remember one of the cars I tuned for circle track he was really only concerned about running it in 2nd and 3rd gear.

Here is a list of a few of the US F/H series transmissions

F22A1
1st Gear 3.307
2nd Gear 1.809
3rd Gear 1.230
4th Gear 0.903
5th Gear 0.705
Reverse 3.000
Final 4.062

H23A1
1st Gear 3.307
2nd Gear 1.857
3rd Gear 1.320
4th Gear 1.034
5th Gear 0.812
Reverse 3.000
Final 4.266

H22A1
1st Gear 3.307
2nd Gear 1.950
3rd Gear 1.360
4th Gear 1.071
5th Gear 0.870
Reverse 3.000
Final 4.266

F22B2/1
1st Gear 3.307
2nd Gear 1.809
3rd Gear 1.230
4th Gear 0.933
5th Gear 0.757
Reverse 3.000
Final 4.266

H22A4
1st Gear 3.285
2nd Gear 1.956
3rd Gear 1.344
4th Gear 1.304
5th Gear 0.812
Reverse 3.000
Final 4.266

 

Wow, thanks for posting that. Last year they were running second and thid but this year I'm trying to get it so that they can both just run in 3rd. That power will be a big increase from tue pile they were running last year. If we get the new sponsor that we are trying to get it takes my budget from $1,500 to over $4,000. If that happens I'm going to just h22 swap both of them with some head work. I'll have to wait and see

 

Why go with the VTEC? If your racing in one gear for most of the race a DOHC VTEC has no real benefit over a SOHC. If you choose a SOHC with a cam designed for that RPM range there is no need for having variable valve timing as you are really only sticking in a narrow RPM range. Plus it's a lot cheaper to run and maintain an F series.

If you get the sponsor. My suggestion would be to put the money into the F head and freshen up the bottom end with some lighter rods and pistons. Maybe go with a light weight flywheel...... But that's just me!

If you must have a DOHC. I say go with the H23 or F22B Non VTEC and save some quid!

 

If I get the sponsor I'm going h22 for sure because first off I've owned a few already and know what I need to make about 200 whp or more.

If I stick with the f22 I'd stick with the single cam. Or is the f22b a dohc engine?

 

Depending on the rules for your particular sanctioning body. The only issue I could see with swapping in the H22 would be that the USDM 90-02 Accords never cam with a DOHC engine of any kind, VTEC or Non. I know around here we cannot use any engine other than the ones that were available in the chassis as sold off the showroom floor in North America.

There are 3 JDM F22B engines. There is a JDM F22B DOHC Non VTEC engine available. The other 2 JDM F22B engines are both SOHC. They are the same as the USDM F22B1 VTEC and the F22B2 Non VTEC.

 

That's the same rules we have here but literally no one follows them. The cars need to pass inspection twice per year. But they don't race the same day as the inspection. Usually the day before the first race and the day before the last race. But what happens is people have a stock setup that will pass inspection and they have a setup they use while racing. They just swap it out for tech. The car that won last year was a '92 eh coupe with a b18c... During inspection he had a d15 in it that hardly ran. But during the last race we saw the b18c. So we all are gonna cheat now lol.

 

Sounds like the racers should get on the sanctioning body and make them uphold their own rules. How hard is it to tech the winning car after each race? Not very!

However, I guess if the racers would rather cheat then uphold the rules..... and there is no one to stop them.... what else can you do!

 

Yea, that's pretty much how it is. The last few years we've kept the same (Original) motor in the car and did nothing besides messing with the exhaust and suspension. But now since I know every car in our division is cheating it seems kind of dumb to not just join in. The one good thing I can think of is there are so many shitty setup cars with horrible swaps running that a stock car with a good running engine would probably beat half of them. But there still are a few cars that are running swaps that are correctly done and there is no way in hell that a f22 accord with 287,000 miles and a bad cylinder are going to stick with a built lsvtec eg hatch? lol.

Good thing is we got another sponsor today. So I get to do pretty much whatever I want for the next car. Still going to do the built f22 for the guy who liked his last year. But for the other driver I'm going with either a da or dc integra with either a b16, b18b/c, b20, lsvtec or crvtec. It's basically whatever I find first. I need to have the cars up and running by mid March so I'm running out of time real fast.

So if anyone has a b swap, da/dc integra roller they want to sell for $500-$1,000 please let me know.