going to be mainly on track wheels but will be streeted also
205-50-15
just want opinions and personal use feedback
Will be on spare set of track wheels, so not daily.
Dont really care about wet weather traction because wont being racing in rain or wet weather.
Price will be the same on them so not looking to get anything more expensive or other brands

 

Idk if you can compare the 2. Star spec is a summer tire. In the same class as xs, re11, 615, and those hankooks. R888 is considered a r comp. Honestly I would decide depending on how much track experience you have.

 

RE-11

 

if you plan on streeting, i'd stick with the star specs. i've driven mine in the rain and they do very well.. better than i thought. plus they'll last longer and are cheaper than the r888

 

You can't beat the star specs for price and performance. It's an all duty tire too, so DD use is no problem (in the summer). I would do the R888 if they were track only, definitely wouldn't use them for DD purposes though.

 

two different tires. star spec is probably going to last 3x as long, won't be as fast, will be better in the rain

the choice is just where your priorities are. sounds like the start spec

 

I'd go with this option as well.

 

The tires are very compairable IMO the Dunlop may say for of a street tire but it performs the same as the toyo as far as "sheeding" and more like an under rated tire then what it really is

I have street wheels and kumho SPT tires so thats not an issue, just saying will drive whichever I choose for street at times but not a daily driver

price will be exactly the same so no issue there either

I have the re760's on my TSX in 18's now so basicly same as RE11 and lot more in price no thats why I didnt include that as an option

 

RE760's and RE-11's aren't even in the same ballpark in terms of grip and performance.

 

same design and again more then I want to spend

 

The normal Dunlop UHP summer DZ101 is a pile of crap when compared to the Star-Spec. Same goes for the RE760 vs the RE11.

Don't judge a tire by its lesser cousin.

 

 

not trying to sound rude but I am not considering that as a tire choice so is all irrelevant

back to original question
who has used either one of the toyo or dunlop tire in question
Ive seen good things on the Dunlop but not much on the Toyo.

 

I'm no expert, but what i have read is a little like this. The Toyo is a solid tire and will outperform the Star specs, however in the realm of R comps it is not nearly as good as some of its competitors, they have been slashing the price on Toyo's for this reason. (They were set to be the tire in spec Miata I believe and the Miata people hated them) The Toyo will grip more than the Star Specs but won't last as long, and heat cycles will have a bigger effect. I can't comment on its rain properties.

I own RE-11 and yes they are amazing (but expensive), I also bought a set of R888 when they were on clearance, simply because they were cheaper than Star Specs and
I thought would be a nice middle ground as I move into R comps.

I don't think this point can be argued. The Star specs will last longer, the R888 will grip better. Those are really your two main points to weigh (basically the same for any tire, negating price).

In reference to track experience Todd may ( or better to say he has the ability) to give you a brief bit on Slip Angle and how these tires "should" act different on the limit. You could also read about that yourself though.

 

ive been running star specs since they came out and i love them .. there amazing in the rain and the dry grip when its warm out is unbeatable for a true street tire .. it is very impressive dd tire .. as long as they continue to make them ill buy them .. hands down star spec

 

you don't need to as there is no performance advantage in the re11 over the star spec

but

todd and the others are correct, the 760 is nothing like the re11 and saying similar design is simply wrong. they have nothing in common

"good things" are to be had with all of the extreme performance tires. the ad08, star spec, xs, 615k and re11 are all solid performers in the dry. the ad08, star and re11 are even decent in the rain

 

I think starspecs are great in the rain. I run those on my S2000 and even when they were almost bald and are really REALLY wide for that car (265mm width....actually 273mm width!!!), the car was fairly planted in buckets of rain in colorado during my 'always follow your heart cross country S2000 tour for men'. I've also tracked on them in the craaaaziest monsoon *** rain storm and my twitchy AP1 was faster than much more "sure footed" cars. Starspecs are an awesome all around street tire period...I don't even need to add "for the money".

 

Depends...

If you're buying a tire primarily for the track, and you'll drive sessions long enough to get the tire up to temperature, and are willing to put up with a less than ideal street tire - R888.

If you need a daily driver, autocross tire, wet pavement, time trials where you don't get multiple laps to get up to temp - Star Specs. And I'd take the Star Specs over the RE-11s, or kook RS3s, especially on a light car. (although in Texas the RS3s will be better than up here in the north - they love heat)

I've driven all of these and unless there's a new hot "tire of the year" coming out real soon now, I'll buy a third set of Star Specs. But it sounds to me like the R888s might be the right choice for you.

Jim W.

 

thanks guys and expecially Jim W. thats the exactly the kind of feedback I'm looking for.
Im looking to start track time this year, with all the work Im having to do on the R and its been quite a transition between the TSX daily and the R just driving around town.

Getting strapped in the R and feel of the motor through the shifter, just the FEEL of the car gives me butterflies.

 

Having owned both brands already I can state with confidence your statement is false. As I look down the grid for Mid-Div and National AutoX cars, I dont see those car's tire selections backing up your statement either. Is the star spec a great bang for the buck? Yes. does it equal or trump RE-11? No.

I'd also like to say the RE-11 is a great tire in the wet. I havent been to a rain event yet that I didnt take home 1st place on Re-11s. just sayin..

Too bad he's not getting Re-11s.

 

lol sorry to make it more difficult

 

I just picked up the R888 since the price was cheap compared to an A048.

Starspecs are amazing tires for the price and they finally came out with the 205/50/15 recently as well.

i've tracked on the RE01R and the new RE11 is better than that tire (which i loved).

one bonus for the RE11's is that they're also asymetrical so if you care to rotate more than just front back, these tires can do it provided you run all 4 the same size

OP - i think the Starspec is the tire you may be looking for as you're just getting into more track days. might not be a good learning curve if you jump into R-compounds right off the bat.

 

You have a top of the line street tire or a bottom of the barrel and barely great R comp.

The advice I always give is to look at the Z1's and RE-11's and which ever you can get for less at that point in time is the correct answer.

When you want R-comps then get a second set of wheels and swap at the track, and even then don't get R888's, RA-1's at bare minimum.

 

was reading some posts in the roadrace forum and guys on there said R888 had better lap times over the RA1's, but wouldnt last as long as RA1s

So surprising to me but they were actually discussing the nt01's in that particular thread

 

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http://www.mazdasnw.com/showthread.p...dgestone-RE-11.

http://www.autocross.us/forums/index...&mode=threaded

and my personal fav

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/art...-tires-part-1/

and

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/art...-tires-part-2/

i don't really see how you can say it's a great bang for the buck if you prefer the drive of the re11? they are virtually the same price. like $100 set tops difference. the XS and H3 have the most rubber on the ground of that lineup which is probably one reason they always wind up winning the lap tests

i also don't really know what the point of your post was besides sounding like a jerk off? there's no links, no proof, no tests and not even a real description of what it is you prefer one vs the other

if you're talking about just rain performance and the re11 being better....okay, then naturally you test it against the other strong rain tire, the ad08